William Starke Rosecrans

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I thought the Anti-Grant writers at the place the place without naming had a point about Grant vs Rosecrans. These guys backed Rosecrans even wrote books on the topic taking to make their point. I had some sympathy for them until I read the battle of Corinth and saw it was Rosecrans PR guys fighting the first across Grant's bow. I think up until then Rosecrans and Grant got along fine maybe even good friends, even thou Grant was a Catholic hater. It was Rosecrans that muddy the water between them...
Over at the other place there was only one real Rosey lover and that was David Moore,he would get a harden whenever you spoke of RosecransI got so tired of arguing with him because he could never substantiate anything.the other lover whose name I can't remember only chimed in a couple of timmes.
 

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times. The same guy that said lincoln was gay.
Yes, backed up with evidence... I have shown the Irish thought they were fodder for the union army...
 

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Over at the other place there was only one real Rosey lover and that was David Moore,he would get a harden whenever you spoke of RosecransI got so tired of arguing with him because he could never substantiate anything.the other lover whose name I can't remember only chimed in a couple of timmes.
We need to find these guys...
 

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Yes, backed up with evidence... I have shown the Irish thought they were fodder for the union army...
Has there ever been a unit that saw a lot of combat that didn't think they were cannon fodder? The Iron Brigade, made up of western farm lads, was in at least as many hot places as the Irish Brigade and suffered greater casualties. So was the Pennsylvania Reserve Brigade - the "Bucktails." The Vermont Brigade consisting mostly of farmers and lumbermen from Vermont had the highest casualty rate of any brigade in the Army of the Potomac. Of these four brigades, Iron, Vermont, Pa. Reserves and Irish, the Irish Brigade had the lowest casualties. Doesn't say much for your opinion and belief in a vast anti-catholic conspiracy.
 

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anti-catholic conspiracy.
I found it by ethnic group and first ethnic was...

 

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In 1863, Pius IX sent a letter addressed to the “Illustrious and Hon. Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of America, Richmond,” and concluded with a hope for a union in “perfect friendship.” Jefferson Davis took this letter as a form of recognition for the Confederacy and the letter was reported in Southern newspapers with the ideas that His Holiness supported the Confederacy.

The following is the letter from His Holiness Pope Pius IX to Jefferson Davis:

Illustrious and honorable sir, greeting:
We have lately received with all kindness, as was meet, the gentlemen sent by your Excellency to present to us your letter dated on the 23d of last September. We have received certainly no small pleasure in learning both from these gentlemen and from your letter the feelings of gratification and of very warm appreciation with which you, illustrious and honorable sir, were moved when you first had knowledge written in October of the preceding year to the venerable brethren, John [Hughes], archbishop of New York, and John [Odin], archbishop of New Orleans, in which we again and again urged and exhorted those venerable brethren that because of their exemplary piety and episcopal zeal they should employ their most earnest efforts, in our name also, in order that the fatal civil war which had arisen in the States should end, and that the people of America might again enjoy mutual peace and concord, and love each other with mutual charity. And it has been very gratifying to us to recognize illustrious and honorable sir, that you and your people are animated by the same desire for peace and tranquillity, which we had so earnestly inculcated in our aforesaid letters to the venerable brethren above named. May it please God at the same time to make the other peoples of America and their rulers, considering seriously how cruel and how deplorable is this internecine war, would receive and embrace the counsels of peace and tranquillity. We indeed shall not cease with most fervent prayer to beseech God, the best and highest, and to implore Him to pour out the spirit of Christian love and peace upon all the people of America, and to rescue them from the great calamities with which they are afflicted. We, at the same time, beseech the God of pity to shed abroad upon you the light of His grace, and attach you to us by a perfect friendship.
Given at Rome at St. Peter’s on the 3d December, 1863, in the eighteenth year of our pontificate.
Illustrious and Hon. Jefferson Davis
 

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I found it by ethnic group and first ethnic was...

Did it occur to you that the Irish were also the LARGEST ethnic group? It makes sense that the largest demographic group in the army would have the most casualties. There is precisely zero evidence of an anti-Irish/Catholic conspiracy.
 

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Has there ever been a unit that saw a lot of combat that didn't think they were cannon fodder? The Iron Brigade, made up of western farm lads, was in at least as many hot places as the Irish Brigade and suffered greater casualties. So was the Pennsylvania Reserve Brigade - the "Bucktails." The Vermont Brigade consisting mostly of farmers and lumbermen from Vermont had the highest casualty rate of any brigade in the Army of the Potomac. Of these four brigades, Iron, Vermont, Pa. Reserves and Irish, the Irish Brigade had the lowest casualties. Doesn't say much for your opinion and belief in a vast anti-catholic conspiracy.
IIRC the 26th N.C.rgmt has the best claim for being used as cannon fodder.
 

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Has there ever been a unit that saw a lot of combat that didn't think they were cannon fodder? The Iron Brigade, made up of western farm lads, was in at least as many hot places as the Irish Brigade and suffered greater casualties. So was the Pennsylvania Reserve Brigade - the "Bucktails." The Vermont Brigade consisting mostly of farmers and lumbermen from Vermont had the highest casualty rate of any brigade in the Army of the Potomac. Of these four brigades, Iron, Vermont, Pa. Reserves and Irish, the Irish Brigade had the lowest casualties. Doesn't say much for your opinion and belief in a vast anti-catholic conspiracy.
don't forget the irish guards who got every shitty job in XXX corps during WW II
Edward Fox & Michael Caine said:
LtGen Horrocks: Kickoff will be at 14:35 hours tomorrow afternoon. The Irish Guards under the command of Col. Vandeleur will take the lead.
LtCol J.O.E. Vandeleur [sotto voce]: Christ, not us again.
LtGen Horrocks: What'd you say to that, Joe?
LtCol J.O.E. Vandeleur: Delighted, sir, truly delighted.
LtGen Horrocks: I've selected you to lead us, not only because of your extraordinary fighting ability, but also because, in the unlikely event the Germans ever get you, they will assume from your attire that they've captured a wretched peasant and immediately send you on your way.
i know that's from a movie but it's a good one and that needs to count for something party.gif
 
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don't forget the irish guards who got every shitty job in XXX corps during WW II

i know that's from a movie but it's a good one and that needs to count for something View attachment 3074
Damn good movie. Gene Hackman as General Sosabowski was my favorite.
 

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I didn't know Grant was anti-Catholic - thought he got mixed up with Sherman! I kind of like Rosecrans, though. He wasn't really much good at political intrigue (Grant was much better at it than Sherman thought) but I always figured Rosy's big blunder was screwing up in front of Stanton's man Friday, Dana. Ticking off Grant didn't do him any good either!
 
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