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Wars too.

Someday the economy will have to woken up, That is as obvious as we are all dead in the long run and provides very little information.

So far economic lackeys of the 1% and their politicians bought and paid for by the 1% are all for endangering citizens, The folks that have to deal with the result not so much. We are not sure that opening everything will result in folks showing up.
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The government can't subsidize people to be idel for months on end. Sooner rather then later America has got to get back to work vs just printing money to chase to few goods. The US didn't shutdown for the Spanish Flu which which was far worse.
It's not order but opening up America has to be done.
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Kirk's Raider's said:
The government can't subsidize people to be idel for months on end. Sooner rather then later America has got to get back to work vs just printing money to chase to few goods. The US didn't shutdown for the Spanish Flu which which was far worse.
It's not order but opening up America has to be done.
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of course they can - us govts have printed money fot lots of reasons. why not for keeping the country alive for a change. to chase too few goods would be a problem but nobody buys ferraris right now. it's food and toilet paper. that doesn't trigger an inflation with virtually no demand for all the other stuff that's normally being bought.
 
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Kirk's Raider's said:
The government can't subsidize people to be idel for months on end. Sooner rather then later America has got to get back to work vs just printing money to chase to few goods. The US didn't shutdown for the Spanish Flu which which was far worse.
It's not order but opening up America has to be done.
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Them that shut down for the 1918 flu lived, them that did not ended up in mass graves. I have a thread on the 1918 flu for enlightenment.
 
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Them that shut down for the 1918 flu lived, them that did not ended up in mass graves. I have a thread on the 1918 flu for enlightenment.
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it was apparently okay to print money to finance the vietnam war (and enrich certain suppliers in the process). all that nonsense about opening up the country is just to not let taxpayers think about less snake oil and more 'socialism'.
 
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it was apparently okay to print money to finance the vietnam war (and enrich certain suppliers in the process). all that nonsense about opening up the country is just to not let taxpayers think about less snake oil and more 'socialism'.
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I understand that the 1918 flu changed society as do all pandemics.
 
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www.nbcnews.com

Federal judge blocks Kansas limits on religious gatherings

“Churches and religious activities appear to have been singled out among essential functions for stricter treatment,” the judge wrote in his order.
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A federal judge on Saturday blocked Kansas from limiting attendance at in-person religious worship services or activities to 10 people or fewer to check the spread of the coronavirus, signaling he believes there’s a good chance the policy violates religious freedom and free speech rights. The ruling from U.S. District Judge John Broomes in Wichita prevents the enforcement of an order issued by Gov. Laura Kelly if pastors and congregations observe social distancing. The judge's decision will remain in effect until May 2. He has a hearing scheduled Wednesday in a lawsuit filed against Kelly by two churches and their pastors.

Broomes’ action comes amid strong criticism of the Democratic governor’s order from the Republican-controlled Legislature and increasing pressure from GOP lawmakers to lift at least part of a stay-at-home order for all 2.9 million Kansas residents that took effect March 30 and is set to continue until May 3.

It also comes as the number of coronavirus cases and COVID-19-related deaths continue to rise in Kansas.

Kansas reports 85 new cases of COVID-19 Saturday,

 
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Swedish Epidemiologist Johan Giesecke: Why Lockdowns Are The Wrong Policy

UnHeard: Professor Johan Giesecke, one of the world's most senior epidemiologists, advisor to the Swedish Government (he hired Anders Tegnell who is currently directing Swedish strategy), the first Chief Scientist of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, and an advisor to the...
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More on Emerging Serology Surveillance

Let me add a few more nuggets of information on this emerging topic. There are a couple of important caveats and cautions about the study I flagged yesterday from Santa Clara County.
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Boris Johnson Skipped Emergency Meetings on Virus

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson missed multiple emergency meetings on the coronavirus as it spread rapidly and ignored warnings from scientists about its lethality, the Sunday Times reports.The result was Britain lost "a crucial five weeks in the fight to tackle the dangerous threat of corona
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British Prime Minister Boris Johnson missed multiple emergency meetings on the coronavirus as it spread rapidly and ignored warnings from scientists about its lethality, the Sunday Times reports.

The result was Britain lost “a crucial five weeks in the fight to tackle the dangerous threat of coronavirus” and my have cost thousands of lives.

Johnson, who is still recovering from Covid-19, skipped five of the government’s emergency meetings in January and February held to discuss the pandemic.
 
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something practical for the reuse of protective masks​

You can decontaminate paper / cloth masks with heat

cloth should be pure cotton

Any method of cooking will work, says Schaffner. "It's heat. The mode of delivering the heat doesn't matter," he adds.

oven: roasting attention don't burn!! 70°C /158°F

water boiler: water, mask(s) -> cooking them trough

washing machine: (cloth only: 60-90°C /140-194°F)

micro wave: no masks with metal, 5min 750-900W or the steam method from below

You can steam sterilize those masks that should be reserved 4 the med professionals

sorry German:
die Maske mit der Außenseite nach unten auf zwei Gefäßen mit jeweils 50 Milliliter lauwarmem Leitungswasser in einer handelsüblichen Mikrowelle. Sie erhitzten die Konstruktion zwei Minuten lang bei 750 Watt, um Wasserdampf zu erzeugen, der die Maske reinigt. Dabei wurde die Filterwirkung nicht geschwächt und nur vereinzelt traten Schäden an der Maske auf.

Ironing, should work but didn't find something about how long / which °C



don't use alcohol or other disinfectants, just heat
 
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Wehrkraftzersetzer said:
die Maske mit der Außenseite nach unten auf zwei Gefäßen mit jeweils 50 Milliliter lauwarmem Leitungswasser in einer handelsüblichen Mikrowelle. Sie erhitzten die Konstruktion zwei Minuten lang bei 750 Watt, um Wasserdampf zu erzeugen, der die Maske reinigt. Dabei wurde die Filterwirkung nicht geschwächt und nur vereinzelt traten Schäden an der Maske auf.
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the mask face down on two vessels, each with 50 milliliters of lukewarm tap water, in a commercially available microwave. They heated the construction at 750 watts for two minutes to generate water vapor that cleans the mask. The filter effect was not weakened and only occasional damage to the mask occurred.
 
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