Marches of Intimidation...

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. The Jews didn't do anything worse the the Americans , Australians and Spanish and Portuguese did in the Americas or Africa but somehow Jews are really evil but everybody else is cool.
You forgot South Africa... Your list they all did evil but at a time when the world had not given it a name "ethnic cleansing" and ethnocentrism was all the rage... WE called out South Africa and now its time to call out Israel...

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So you have lived in South Africa and saw how well everything worked out?
yes, The nation has issues but one group is not suppressing the rights of another... it's doing its best to be an open Democracy...
 

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You forgot South Africa... Your list they all did evil but at a time when the world had not given it a name "ethnic cleansing" and ethnocentrism was all the rage... WE called out South Africa and now its time to call out Israel...

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yes, The nation has issues but one group is not suppressing the rights of another... it's doing its best to be an open Democracy...
Go live in South Africa and get back to us on how nice it is. Go live in Lebanon and get back to us on well multi religious countries in the Middle East fare. Israel has nothing to be ashamed of.
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Go live in South Africa and get back to us on how nice it is. Go live in Lebanon and get back to us on well multi religious countries in the Middle East fare. Israel has nothing to be ashamed of.
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The issue is not about living there but for a nation to live up to Democratic values... If it professes to be a governing Democracy...
 

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You know, if all you worry about is crime than go to China. Where most of their streets here safe and cameras everywhere...
 

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The issue is not about living there but for a nation to live up to Democratic values... If it professes to be a governing Democracy...
Compared to other Middle East countries Israel is indeed a democracy. The US is not really a functioning democracy any more so not seeing why we should throw stones at Israel.
Voting rights in the US are being restricted. Red State legislature's can throw out what the voters want.
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Here: Israel went to America and Europe to get them to define criticism of Israel as anti-Semitic... They got most of what they wanted... They covered most of the bases... Base of these definitions I had to reframe some of my Criticisms... a word here and a comparison...

https://ec.europa.eu/info/policies/...ating-antisemitism/definition-antisemitism_en

https://www.state.gov/defining-anti-semitism/
Because Israel was right the Jews just want one little country and for some reason there not good enough to have per their many critic's. Somehow Christians and Moslems can have all the countries they want but give the Jews just one little country and oh the horror.
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Here a good summary... or overview...


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Criticism of the Israeli government, often referred to simply as criticism of Israel,[1][2][3] is an ongoing subject of journalistic and scholarly commentary and research within the scope of international relations theory, expressed in terms of political science. Within the scope of global aspirations for a community of nations, Israel has faced international criticism since its declaration of independence in 1948 relating to a variety of topics,[4][5][6][7] both historical and contemporary.
 

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Here a good summary... or overview...


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Criticism of the Israeli government, often referred to simply as criticism of Israel,[1][2][3] is an ongoing subject of journalistic and scholarly commentary and research within the scope of international relations theory, expressed in terms of political science. Within the scope of global aspirations for a community of nations, Israel has faced international criticism since its declaration of independence in 1948 relating to a variety of topics,[4][5][6][7] both historical and contemporary.
I know Israel takes a lot of crap. It's something they have had to deal with since 1948. Nowadays though Israel is very close to energy independence and has nukes. Israel knows that their only real enemy is not the Arab nations but Iran and the Palestians. There is also the growing threat of possible sanctions in the West as the West becomes more left wing and more Islamic. Israel has trading partners and knows it eventually will have to get by without certain Western countries. Israel is actually developing closer ties with the Gulf Arabs.
The West such has the US might break up anyway so that's something everyone is keeping an eye on.
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Israeli Palestinians feel like second class citizens as many African Americans feel like second class citizens here...

Then they can take ass out if the country. Some AAs are going overseas but so are many other Americans to seek a better life. It's not the first time during the Depression at least hundreds of AAs immigrated to the Soviet Union but they had to educated and have job skills but they did leave. Some came back and some didn't.
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Here we go its official Israel an Apartheid state... @Leftyhunter


This slew of recent reports come to the legal conclusion that Israel’s actions of discrimination, dispossession, and more, were carried out for the purpose of ensuring the dominance of one racial or national group over another.”

But crucially, this slew of recent reports come to the legal conclusion that Israel’s actions of discrimination, dispossession, and more, were carried out for the purpose of ensuring the dominance of one racial or national group over another—for the purpose of empowering Israeli Jews at the expense of Palestinians—and that therefore Israel was committing the crime of apartheid.
 

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It seems Israel is taking from Putin playbook on NGO's... It seems misbehavior nations flock together...

 

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Old @Leftyhunter did you miss post #77... Israel may have Democratic wants but it tends to be a bad actor at times...

So, when I see that Israel’s Justice Ministry proposes to clamp down on foreign-funded NGOs, I know that this is a dangerously slippery slope. I understand the mentality: deeply defensive, paranoid, xenophobic and profoundly anti-democratic. I know where it leads. It is never satisfied until it exterminates democracy itself.
 

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Old @Leftyhunter did you miss post #77... Israel may have Democratic wants but it tends to be a bad actor at times...

So, when I see that Israel’s Justice Ministry proposes to clamp down on foreign-funded NGOs, I know that this is a dangerously slippery slope. I understand the mentality: deeply defensive, paranoid, xenophobic and profoundly anti-democratic. I know where it leads. It is never satisfied until it exterminates democracy itself.
It's the Middle East which means survival of the fittest. The NGOs are wolves in sheep's cloths. If Israel is going to survive it can't be namby pamby.
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Here we go its official Israel an Apartheid state... @Leftyhunter


This slew of recent reports come to the legal conclusion that Israel’s actions of discrimination, dispossession, and more, were carried out for the purpose of ensuring the dominance of one racial or national group over another.”

But crucially, this slew of recent reports come to the legal conclusion that Israel’s actions of discrimination, dispossession, and more, were carried out for the purpose of ensuring the dominance of one racial or national group over another—for the purpose of empowering Israeli Jews at the expense of Palestinians—and that therefore Israel was committing the crime of apartheid.
Here we go again. Whatever.
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