Marches of Intimidation...

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Marches can be acts of intimidation like Northern Ireland Marching Season and in Jerusalem Flag March. The majority marches through minority areas to remind them who is boss, to remind them who lost and who won, to remind them who is the conquered and powerless. These marches are acts of intimidation and bigotry... The march in Jerusalem and the marches in Northern Ireland are no different in purpose and motivation.

Here in Jerusalem...


Jerusalem Day
Jerusalem Day is meant to celebrate Israel’s capture of east Jerusalem, home to the Old City and its sensitive holy sites, in the 1967 Mideast war. But the annual event is widely perceived as provocative, as hardline nationalist Israelis, guarded by police, march through the Damascus Gate of the Old City and through the Muslim Quarter to the Western Wall, the holiest site where Jews can pray..

Here in Northern Ireland...


The marching season Northern Ireland
The "marching season" generally refers to the months April to August in Northern Ireland and includes marches by groups such as the Ancient Order of Hibernians, the Apprentice Boys of Derry, and the Royal Black Institution as well as the Orange Order. The Orange Order is arguably the most active marching group.

Parade opponents in Drumcree and elsewhere have put forward several arguments against the parades:

That they are sectarian regardless of their route
That they celebrate the defeat of Irish Catholicism
That when they go through Catholic areas, they are particularly insulting and triumphalist
That they cause serious inconvenience to residents, as roads must be closed and, in particularly contentious areas, access to the roads denied

One observer has even argued that the Orange Institution and its demonstrations deny Nationalists and Catholics their human rights.
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Here...

The Orange Order and its supporters have countered that:

The parades are not sectarian, and that any sectarian activity or violence is perpetuated by outsiders and "hangers-on" over whom the Order has no control
That inconvenience is caused mostly by the need for police to protect marchers from the violence of their opponents

That the disputes are not actually about parading, but are a way for republicans to attack Protestantism.

They have also argued that they have a fundamental "right to march"—that any group should be able to walk down "the Queen's highway" without interference. In practice, however, the Order has tended to oppose marches by republicans and other "disloyal" groups on the grounds that there is no right to parade sedition.
 

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In Israel the walls they have built have created Bantustan, others may call them using more Western words like ghettos or reservations but the word Bantustan is the better word...


A Bantustan (also known as Bantu homeland, black homeland, black state or simply homeland; Afrikaans: Bantoestan) was a territory that the National Party administration of South Africa set aside for black inhabitants of South Africa and South West Africa (now Namibia), as part of its policy of apartheid. In a generic sense, Bantustans are regions that lack any real legitimacy, consisting of several unconnected enclaves, or which have emerged from national or international gerrymandering.[1]

Here a tidbit... Apartheid is a crime...


The crime of apartheid is defined by the 2002 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court as inhumane acts of a character similar to other crimes against humanity "committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime".

On 30 November 1973, the United Nations General Assembly opened for signature and ratification The International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid.[1] It defined the crime of apartheid as "inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them".[


Here is Trump's plan and the plan Israel wants Biden to keep and Biden has not disavowed it either... read the article and you will see there is no two state solution just an Israeli state and Bantustans... Biden's keeping the Embassy in Jerusalem so far... Do Bantustan's live up to our American ideals and of human rights?


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Much like Bantustan, the Palestinians will be given autonomy in those areas over civil matters like education and healthcare, but the critical areas of administration such as trade, security and external relations will be under Israeli control.

Under the plan, Israel, like the Apartheid regime in South Africa, will maintain unlimited security and military control over Palestinian areas. Moreover, the Israeli state will control Palestinian borders, airspace and maritime territories. The plan also recognises the illegal annexation of the Jordan Valley and illegal Jewish settlements in the West Bank.

Similar to South Africa’s white-dominated Apartheid regime, Trump’s plan defines Israel, a state that rules and occupies more Muslim Palestinians than Israeli Jews, as a Jewish state.
 

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Here a map... of the map...

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Here it looks like Israeli Jewish population is all to win the demographic battle by the end of the century. Israel is becoming an ultra- Orthodox Jewish state... Here is a nice little article about it...

@Leftyhunter ...

The Jews have the right to their own country. If they destroy it oh well. Perhaps Israel will become an overcrowded backwards nation. On the other hand no nation in the Middle East has the technology that Israel has. Only Turkey and the UAE are catching up and both have strong economic ties with Israel.
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Marches can be acts of intimidation like Northern Ireland Marching Season and in Jerusalem Flag March. The majority marches through minority areas to remind them who is boss, to remind them who lost and who won, to remind them who is the conquered and powerless. These marches are acts of intimidation and bigotry... The march in Jerusalem and the marches in Northern Ireland are no different in purpose and motivation.

Here in Jerusalem...


Jerusalem Day
Jerusalem Day is meant to celebrate Israel’s capture of east Jerusalem, home to the Old City and its sensitive holy sites, in the 1967 Mideast war. But the annual event is widely perceived as provocative, as hardline nationalist Israelis, guarded by police, march through the Damascus Gate of the Old City and through the Muslim Quarter to the Western Wall, the holiest site where Jews can pray..

Here in Northern Ireland...


The marching season Northern Ireland
The "marching season" generally refers to the months April to August in Northern Ireland and includes marches by groups such as the Ancient Order of Hibernians, the Apprentice Boys of Derry, and the Royal Black Institution as well as the Orange Order. The Orange Order is arguably the most active marching group.

Parade opponents in Drumcree and elsewhere have put forward several arguments against the parades:

That they are sectarian regardless of their route
That they celebrate the defeat of Irish Catholicism
That when they go through Catholic areas, they are particularly insulting and triumphalist
That they cause serious inconvenience to residents, as roads must be closed and, in particularly contentious areas, access to the roads denied

One observer has even argued that the Orange Institution and its demonstrations deny Nationalists and Catholics their human rights.
[7]


Here...

The Orange Order and its supporters have countered that:

The parades are not sectarian, and that any sectarian activity or violence is perpetuated by outsiders and "hangers-on" over whom the Order has no control
That inconvenience is caused mostly by the need for police to protect marchers from the violence of their opponents

That the disputes are not actually about parading, but are a way for republicans to attack Protestantism.

They have also argued that they have a fundamental "right to march"—that any group should be able to walk down "the Queen's highway" without interference. In practice, however, the Order has tended to oppose marches by republicans and other "disloyal" groups on the grounds that there is no right to parade sedition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Riots
We had two Orange riots back in the day.
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Marches can be acts of intimidation like Northern Ireland Marching Season and in Jerusalem Flag March. The majority marches through minority areas to remind them who is boss, to remind them who lost and who won, to remind them who is the conquered and powerless. These marches are acts of intimidation and bigotry... The march in Jerusalem and the marches in Northern Ireland are no different in purpose and motivation.

Here in Jerusalem...


Jerusalem Day
Jerusalem Day is meant to celebrate Israel’s capture of east Jerusalem, home to the Old City and its sensitive holy sites, in the 1967 Mideast war. But the annual event is widely perceived as provocative, as hardline nationalist Israelis, guarded by police, march through the Damascus Gate of the Old City and through the Muslim Quarter to the Western Wall, the holiest site where Jews can pray..

Here in Northern Ireland...


The marching season Northern Ireland
The "marching season" generally refers to the months April to August in Northern Ireland and includes marches by groups such as the Ancient Order of Hibernians, the Apprentice Boys of Derry, and the Royal Black Institution as well as the Orange Order. The Orange Order is arguably the most active marching group.

Parade opponents in Drumcree and elsewhere have put forward several arguments against the parades:

That they are sectarian regardless of their route
That they celebrate the defeat of Irish Catholicism
That when they go through Catholic areas, they are particularly insulting and triumphalist
That they cause serious inconvenience to residents, as roads must be closed and, in particularly contentious areas, access to the roads denied

One observer has even argued that the Orange Institution and its demonstrations deny Nationalists and Catholics their human rights.
[7]


Here...

The Orange Order and its supporters have countered that:

The parades are not sectarian, and that any sectarian activity or violence is perpetuated by outsiders and "hangers-on" over whom the Order has no control
That inconvenience is caused mostly by the need for police to protect marchers from the violence of their opponents

That the disputes are not actually about parading, but are a way for republicans to attack Protestantism.

They have also argued that they have a fundamental "right to march"—that any group should be able to walk down "the Queen's highway" without interference. In practice, however, the Order has tended to oppose marches by republicans and other "disloyal" groups on the grounds that there is no right to parade sedition.
When Arabs and Iranians march shouting death to the Jews that's cool right?
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When Arabs and Iranians march shouting death to the Jews that's cool right?
Not the same thing the Iranians are in their own nation and are not marching through Jewish neighborhoods... Free speech has limits but generally calling the death of a people not one of them... unless it incites violence at the same time... Are you really scared when the Iranian's are marching down the their streets yelling " death to America". I guess not because you know as I its local politics at play... Israel needs a boogeyman and the Iranians are it. We punish a nation of a hundred million people in the name of Israel even thou the Iranians do not have the ability to attack or harm Israel in any meaningful way. I want to point out Iran has not gone around killing any Israelis like the Israelis have killed Iranians wontly and destroyed their tech as well. Have you seen Iranians ever respond no... Why because of us... We have created a little monster nation. Who's fears causes social projection on other nations or peoples...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_projection

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In social psychology, social projection is the psychological process through which an individual expects their own behaviors or attitudes to be similar to those of others. Social projection occurs between individuals as well as across ingroup and outgroup contexts in a variety of domains.[1] Research has shown that aspects of social categorization affect the extent to which social projection occurs. Cognitive and motivational approaches have been used to understand the psychological underpinnings of social projection as a phenomenon.[2] Cognitive approaches emphasize social projection as a heuristic, while motivational approaches contextualize social projection as a means to feel connected to others.[2][3] In contemporary research on social projection, researchers work to further distinguish between the effects of social projection and self-stereotyping on the individual’s perception of others.[4]
 

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Not the same thing the Iranians are in their own nation and are not marching through Jewish neighborhoods... Free speech has limits but generally calling the death of a people not one of them... unless it incites violence at the same time... Are you really scared when the Iranian's are marching down the their streets yelling " death to America". I guess not because you know as I its local politics at play... Israel needs a boogeyman and the Iranians are it. We punish a nation of a hundred million people in the name of Israel even thou the Iranians do not have the ability to attack or harm Israel in any meaningful way. I want to point out Iran has not gone around killing any Israelis like the Israelis have killed Iranians wontly and destroyed their tech as well. Have you seen Iranians ever respond no... Why because of us... We have created a little monster nation. Who's fears causes social projection on other nations or peoples...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_projection

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In social psychology, social projection is the psychological process through which an individual expects their own behaviors or attitudes to be similar to those of others. Social projection occurs between individuals as well as across ingroup and outgroup contexts in a variety of domains.[1] Research has shown that aspects of social categorization affect the extent to which social projection occurs. Cognitive and motivational approaches have been used to understand the psychological underpinnings of social projection as a phenomenon.[2] Cognitive approaches emphasize social projection as a heuristic, while motivational approaches contextualize social projection as a means to feel connected to others.[2][3] In contemporary research on social projection, researchers work to further distinguish between the effects of social projection and self-stereotyping on the individual’s perception of others.[4]
Not true as the Iranians have provided millions of dollars of weaponry to Hamas and Hezbollah to kill Jews.
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Not true as the Iranians have provided millions of dollars of weaponry to Hamas and Hezbollah to kill Jews.
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Lets adjust that notion... yes Hezbollah followers may attack Israel from time to time but its ineffective, small in scale and meaningless but Israel has invaded Lebanon twice under some false social projection reasoning. Hezbollah has not invaded Israel...

Now Hamas you know who funded and founded Hamas... One guess that's right Israel... Maybe the Iranians today but in the past it was Israel... Watch the video...

 

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Lets adjust that notion... yes Hezbollah followers may attack Israel from time to time but its ineffective, small in scale and meaningless but Israel has invaded Lebanon twice under some false social projection reasoning. Hezbollah has not invaded Israel...

Now Hamas you know who funded and founded Hamas... One guess that's right Israel... Maybe the Iranians today but in the past it was Israel... Watch the video...

Hezbollah inflicted major damage to Israel be firing many tickets into major cities in 2006. Why do Jews not have the right to self defense and their own country but everybody else does.? Yes Israel originally funded Hamas and the US originally supported Bin Laden what's your point?
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Hezbollah inflicted major damage to Israel be firing many tickets into major cities in 2006. Why do Jews not have the right to self defense and their own country but everybody else does.? Yes Israel originally funded Hamas and the US originally supported Bin Laden what's your point?
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that governments should chose their goons more wisely, may be?

 

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that governments should chose their goons more wisely, may be?

The US didn't choose Huessein we had diplomatic relations with Iraq as did most of the other nations. The US was not even Iraq's major arms supplier and during the Iran Iraq war supplied more weapons to Iran then Iraq. Why don't you know this?
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The US didn't choose Huessein we had diplomatic relations with Iraq as did most of the other nations. The US was not even Iraq's major arms supplier and during the Iran Iraq war supplied more weapons to Iran then Iraq. Why don't you know this?
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... and who else gave him satelite images of iranian positions for a war he started?
 

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... need i to mention kermit rosevelt? the whole iranian fiasco is some sort of smelly us/uk soup (as most problems on this fair planet are)
 

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... and who else gave him satelite images of iranian positions for a war he started?
So what the US supported both sides not for the first time. Again other nations supplied much more weaponry to Iraq then the US. War equals a money making opportunity the US would be remiss if it didn't sell weapons to both sides.
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... need i to mention kermit rosevelt? the whole iranian fiasco is some sort of smelly us/uk soup (as most problems on this fair planet are)
Yes the US installed dictaitors to support it's intrests that's not unknown in state craft. That doesn't mean the US installed Huessein. Arab politics is a blood sport.
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