Woke US Army vs Russian and Chinese recruitment afds

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Do we want a some army full of compassionate social justice warriors or do we want a bunch of bad asses who actually like to fight?
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well, some guys who really liked to fight were called the waffen-ss - you want to have a us-army like them?
 

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well, some guys who really liked to fight were called the waffen-ss - you want to have a us-army like them?
Well at least the SS could fight. I would Rather led Waffen SS then social justice warriors who will run away when the shooting starts. American soldiers can fight without massacring everybody although to be fair rape and massacring civilans was not unknown by the US Army.
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Lefty, after the last election I had to take a break from political news. Its a toxic brew of the "daily outrage."
 

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Do we want a some army full of compassionate social justice warriors or do we want a bunch of bad asses who actually like to fight?
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Lefty, first read my post above.

I read a delightful book from 1940 called See Here, Private Hargrove. It was about the draftees of 1940, told by one of them, a newspaper reporter in civilian life. At one point the soldiers are served ice cream in the messhall, and some people bemoan that they are being pampered, and aren't the rough tough Spartan doughboys that won World War One.

Indeed, Aristophanes in Clouds a comedy composed in the 5th century BC has a group of elders bemoaning the decadence of youth, with its obsession with Socratic philosophy.

All this moaning and groaning about woke and so forth is being manufactured by politicians.
 

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Lefty, first read my post above.

I read a delightful book from 1940 called See Here, Private Hargrove. It was about the draftees of 1940, told by one of them, a newspaper reporter in civilian life. At one point the soldiers are served ice cream in the messhall, and some people bemoan that they are being pampered, and aren't the rough tough Spartan doughboys that won World War One.

Indeed, Aristophanes in Clouds a comedy composed in the 5th century BC has a group of elders bemoaning the decadence of youth, with its obsession with Socratic philosophy.

All this moaning and groaning about woke and so forth is being manufactured by politicians.
In 1940 there wasn't adds glamorizing Lesbian parents. Nothing wrong with having Gay soldiers as Gays have always fought in all armies but obviously had to keep it on the down low until very recently. Do we want a military of sensitive politicaly correct people or guys and gals eager to kick ass?
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In 1940 there wasn't adds glamorizing Lesbian parents. Nothing wrong with having Gay soldiers as Gays have always fought in all armies but obviously had to keep it on the down low until very recently. Do we want a military of sensitive politicaly correct people or guys and gals eager to kick ass?
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Why not both?
 

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In 1940 there wasn't adds glamorizing Lesbian parents. Nothing wrong with having Gay soldiers as Gays have always fought in all armies but obviously had to keep it on the down low until very recently. Do we want a military of sensitive politicaly correct people or guys and gals eager to kick ass?
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Honestly this whole thing feels like a ginned up "controversy." This perpetual outrage is both cultivated and harvested.
 

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Do we want a some army full of compassionate social justice warriors or do we want a bunch of bad asses who actually like to fight?
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Where did you find this right wing twerp with his tripe...
 

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Honestly this whole thing feels like a ginned up "controversy." This perpetual outrage is both cultivated and harvested.
Maybe yes maybe no. It's part of the culture wars. Just how woke
Where did you find this right wing twerp with his tripe...
He's hilarious nothing wrong with a little sharp edged humor.
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Why not both?
Because a soldier is supposed to be a heartbreaker and a life taker. If some one wants to be a social worker that's fine but it makes more sense to recruit people who don't mind actually fighting vs nice sensitive people.
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Honestly this whole thing feels like a ginned up "controversy." This perpetual outrage is both cultivated and harvested.
Maybe this guy can explain it better then me why the Woke US Army commercial sucks.
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Honestly this whole thing feels like a ginned up "controversy." This perpetual outrage is both cultivated and harvested.
Maybe a bit exaterated but the speaker makes some valid points. The Russian add may be propoganda but at least it is more inspirational. High tech only goes so far. The US and it's NATO allies had all kinds of high tech bells and whistles in Afganhistan but guess who won?
It wasn't Emma and her two moms.
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Weren't these "side by side" ads actually produced by Russian propagandists?

I just checked and sure enough its a Russian PR blitz. Putin must be pleased that a certain segment of American politicians are willing to parrot his attempts to weaken our country. Led by Cancun Cruz himself, who couples his lack of military experience with personal cowardice.

Who's the cat who will cop out
When there's danger all about
(falsetto) Cruz!

Apologizes to Isaac Hayes.
 
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Maybe a bit exaterated but the speaker makes some valid points. The Russian add may be propoganda but at least it is more inspirational. High tech only goes so far. The US and it's NATO allies had all kinds of high tech bells and whistles in Afganhistan but guess who won?
It wasn't Emma and her two moms.
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iirc the russians didn't win there either (neither did the english) - may be it's just a shitty idea to invade these people

that vid looks like alex jones on decaf - lefty you do know that everyone (who wants to and invests the time) can make a youtube vid especially one as cheap as this and post it

i saw it on youtube is even worse than i read it somewhere as an argument

... and btw, whatever sf authors say you cannot occupy the usa (it's just too big)
 

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Weren't these "side by side" ads actually produced by Russian propagandists?

I just checked and sure enough its a Russian PR blitz. Putin must be pleased that a certain segment of American politicians are willing to parrot his attempts to weaken our country. Led by Cancun Cruz himself, who couples his lack of military experience with personal cowardice.

Who's the cat who will cop out
When there's danger all about
(falsetto) Cruz!

Apologizes to Isaac Hayes.
No the Woke Ad is a legitimate US Army Recruitment Ad. It doesn't matter that the Russian Ad is propoganda or not it sends the right message. Historically the Russian Army sometimes fights well sometimes not so much just like the US Army.
All recruitment add are propoganda to a degree but Russian and Chinese adds are better. The Woke Ad is a sick joke .
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iirc the russians didn't win there either (neither did the english) - may be it's just a shitty idea to invade these people

that vid looks like alex jones on decaf - lefty you do know that everyone (who wants to and invests the time) can make a youtube vid especially one as cheap as this and post it

i saw it on youtube is even worse than i read it somewhere as an argument

... and btw, whatever sf authors say you cannot occupy the usa (it's just too big)
Nobody argued that the Russians will invade the US so that's a Strawman Argument. The argument is the US Army made a stupid add that makes the UD Army look ridiculous.
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Nobody argued that the Russians will invade the US so that's a Strawman Argument. The argument is the US Army made a stupid add that makes the UD Army look ridiculous.
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so if nobody* invades you (not a strawman) how about not invading other places more often?

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* did i mention the russians? they have way to few men in their army anyway and even the pla can't invade your place for the same reasons. hollywood loves them nazis to invade the us but the wehrmacht had never more than 4,000,000 men. even if nobody gets hurt or killed in the process that's less than one man per two square kilometers for occupation duty

... and who's then to keep the french (or anyone else) in check

let me reissue my basic question:

what the fuck is it americans are so damned afraid of?
 

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so if nobody* invades you (not a strawman) how about not invading other places more often?

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* did i mention the russians? they have way to few men in their army anyway and even the pla can't invade your place for the same reasons. hollywood loves them nazis to invade the us but the wehrmacht had never more than 4,000,000 men. even if nobody gets hurt or killed in the process that's less than one man per two square kilometers for occupation duty

... and who's then to keep the french (or anyone else) in check

let me reissue my basic question:

what the fuck is it americans are so damned afraid of?
The Russian Army add didn't mention invading the US. You have to address who the US is afraid of to various politicians. Obviously Congresswoman Alexandria Cortez and Illan Omar will give a much different answer then say Senator's Rubio and Cruz.
I agree military spending in the US is to high America's enemies are internal plus illegal immigrants.
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