To erect a suitable Monument to their memory

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Same here, and in fact all of them that I've found so far joined later in the war and for different reasons, so far as I can tell.
- one was conscripted, tried to go AWOL at a certain point, was brought back and ended the war as a POW
- one joined a month before he turned 18, so probably a young man who just wanted to get in on the fight
- one signed up and got a $50 bonus, which the CS government was paying at the time, so he may have joined for the money
- not sure about the other two

All of them survived the war, thankfully.



And the fact that I'm finding next to nothing about race in these documents, apart from the occasional comment by a dedication speaker, while there is a great deal said about honoring and remembering the dead, demonstrates that reinforcing the racial order was not the goal of those who had these monuments commissioned and installed. They were not about race, they were about remembrance, and still are.
The ACW was a race war from start to finish. Anything connected to the Confederacy is all about racial superiority.
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big difference: he did win
The outcome didn't change his acts. Had he lost, he would've been publicly executed, along with many of his subordinates.

Davis, Lee, Forrest, etc.... none were convicted of treason.

The only conviction & ensuing execution was the scapegoat Wirz, for what today what would be considered war crimes. Had the CSA won, might have seen similar convictions/executions for the treatment of Confederate prisoners in the Yankee prisons. The crimes were certainly comparable.
 

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Complete nonsense. The sad part is, there are actually people today, who believe this......
You might want to read a good history book. Enslaving people against their will is an act of violence. If the Confederacy wasn't fighting a race war they would of immediately freed their slaves and given African Americans full and equal rights and that includes repealing their miscegenation laws.
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they were lucky not "not guilty"
Actually our friend @Viper21 is leaving out a few details. Grant offered a parole not a pardon to all Confederates who layed down their arms. In William Cooper's book" Jefferson Davis American"
there is a detailed discussion of why Davis wasn't tried for treason. The main reason is that Davis would per the Supreme Court have to be tried on Virginia and there was no way a jury in Virginia would convict Davis.
Not all Civil Wars result in punishment for the loosing or other side. Sometimes it just makes more sense to forgive and forget which is not exactly what happened to Davis as he was incarcerated for a period of time but was released.
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Actually our friend @Viper21 is leaving out a few details. Grant offered a parole not a pardon to all Confederates who layed down their arms. In William Cooper's book" Jefferson Davis American"
there is a detailed discussion of why Davis wasn't tried for treason. The main reason is that Davis would per the Supreme Court have to be tried on Virginia and there was no way a jury in Virginia would convict Davis.
Not all Civil Wars result in punishment for the loosing or other side. Sometimes it just makes more sense to forgive and forget which is not exactly what happened to Davis as he was incarcerated for a period of time but was released.
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That is one slant on it. We agree that Davis wouldn't have been convicted. What happened to all those Unionists..? Weren't Confederates barred from jury duty, just like voting..? Seems it would've been easy to pack the jury box with scalawags.

Davis was never tried for treason because they (the Fed Gov), couldn't risk the question of secession being litigated in a courtroom. Any possibility at all, of secession receiving legitimacy in the courts, would've made the actions of the Fed Gov's coercion officially illegal. Smart folks foresaw this as a real possibility, & didn't want to roll the dice.
 

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You might want to read a good history book. Enslaving people against their will is an act of violence. If the Confederacy wasn't fighting a race war they would of immediately freed their slaves and given African Americans full and equal rights and that includes repealing their miscegenation laws.
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A lot of fallacies in this post. I'll just focus on the Strawman. It wasn't a race war by definition. It was a political war (like most wars).

Interesting that the Confederates (in your view), were supposed to do something that even the Yankees didn't do. Why didn't the Union population voluntarily free their slaves at the onset of war..? Why did it take ratification of the 13th Amendment (Dec '65) to force emancipation in states loyal to the Union..? Why did multiple Union loyal states reject the amendment..? Hell, two Yankee states didn't ratify the amendment until the 20th century.
 

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A lot of fallacies in this post. I'll just focus on the Strawman. It wasn't a race war by definition. It was a political war (like most wars).

Interesting that the Confederates (in your view), were supposed to do something that even the Yankees didn't do. Why didn't the Union population voluntarily free their slaves at the onset of war..? Why did it take ratification of the 13th Amendment (Dec '65) to force emancipation in states loyal to the Union..? Why did multiple Union loyal states reject the amendment..? Hell, two Yankee states didn't ratify the amendment until the 20th century.
The ACW was a race war because the whole entire prmis of American slavery was that only black people could be slaves although during the ACW Indians could be enslaved to build fortifications.
All war are political wars but remove race and their would be no war.
Yes some Union states had slavery but the majority of the people of the border States were not willing to fight for Secession since they had no interest in slavery.
Also per our Pro Confederate posters on CWT Southern whites are inherently more morale then evil Yankees who have horns growing out of their heads so we must hold Southern whites to a higher morale standard.
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That is one slant on it. We agree that Davis wouldn't have been convicted. What happened to all those Unionists..? Weren't Confederates barred from jury duty, just like voting..? Seems it would've been easy to pack the jury box with scalawags.

Davis was never tried for treason because they (the Fed Gov), couldn't risk the question of secession being litigated in a courtroom. Any possibility at all, of secession receiving legitimacy in the courts, would've made the actions of the Fed Gov's coercion officially illegal. Smart folks foresaw this as a real possibility, & didn't want to roll the dice.
For a very brief period of time those seccesionists who didn't sign a loyalty oath were denied certain Civic rights but unlike loyal African Americans their civil rights were restored and black Southerners were denied. Even to this day Southern states try to deny African American voting rights.
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...It wasn't a race war by definition. It was a political war (like most wars).
...a political war incited by one of the biggest race issues ever; slavery. What's this about "definition"?

...Why didn't the Union population voluntarily free their slaves at the onset of war..?...
meh ...most of them had already done so decades prior to 1860. It's no big deal that slavery was still legal in a few remaining border states of the Union. Let's be honest, it was only the slaveowners in those few remaining states that even had an option to free their slaves -- not nearly "the Union Population." as you put it. Not that we don't recognize yet another attempt to equalize the culpability of the North for slavery with the culpability of the South for slavery, ignoring all scale and timeline.

...Why did it take ratification of the 13th Amendment (Dec '65) to force emancipation in states loyal to the Union..? Why did multiple Union loyal states reject the amendment..? Hell, two Yankee states didn't ratify the amendment until the 20th century...
...and yet the amendment was ratified, meaning a majority of U.S. states ratified it, including the states of the NE (why single out the Nor'easterns anyway?). That is the way this Country works. Not that we don't recognize the attempt to distract from the fact that the secession South never even considered such legislation, being perfectly willing to hold men in bondage forever, at a profit, and at a scale well beyond anything that had ever happened in the North. oops.
 
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Davis, Lee, Forrest, etc.... none were convicted of treason.
Because they were pardoned by their fellow traveler Andrew Johnson. Not because they weren't guilty.
 
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