A Good Guy with a Gun vs Bad Guy with a Gun ( a myth )

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An armed citizen pointed his gun at an inmate who shot a police officer with the officers own gun.
that's not pertinent information is it?
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... and i can't chreck out your 'source'
St.Joesph News Press 6/18/19
because it is one of the american sites that are not willing to accept europes privacy laws which protect citizens' data a lot more than anything the us has to offer
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Lots of other examples.
still a gOOgle assignment
Also in the Czech Republic citizens have armed themselves for self defense.
got a source?
As immigrants kill and rape enough Germans then public opinion in Germany will change.
that's simply rightwing probaganda - please don't quote potus on this, as he really doesn't know what he's talking about. it's also off-topic but feel free to create a thread:

nature's phasing out of the caucasian phenotype

... or whatever
 

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that's not pertinent information is it?
  • no names
  • no dates
  • no places
... and i can't chreck out your 'source'

because it is one of the american sites that are not willing to accept europes privacy laws which protect citizens' data a lot more than anything the us has to offer




still a gOOgle assignment

got a source?

that's simply rightwing probaganda - please don't quote potus on this, as he really doesn't know what he's talking about. it's also off-topic but feel free to create a thread:

nature's phasing out of the caucasian phenotype

... or whatever
I can mail you the page if you like.
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that's not pertinent information is it?
  • no names
  • no dates
  • no places
... and i can't chreck out your 'source'

because it is one of the american sites that are not willing to accept europes privacy laws which protect citizens' data a lot more than anything the us has to offer




still a gOOgle assignment

got a source?

that's simply rightwing probaganda - please don't quote potus on this, as he really doesn't know what he's talking about. it's also off-topic but feel free to create a thread:

nature's phasing out of the caucasian phenotype

... or whatever
Just Google"armed citizen American Rifleman" plenty of accounts.
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gOOgle assignment - that's not the way we do it - you claim it -> you prove it
Its easy to look up. If you want can mail a the page to where you work or wherever you want. The American Rifleman Magazine comes out every month.
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Just Google"armed citizen American Rifleman"
As info:

armed citizen American Rifleman

Although the Euro-peeps may not have access due to their current laws.

Isolate a certain article and/or item and I will copy/paste.

Btw, I keep my Grand-pa's Colt .32 Long in my 'puter drawer. I have zero dogs in this fight, though I lean far away from ur position Kirky. i believe you are "around the bend." on this one.

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Its easy to look up.

LINK:https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/602143823/how-often-do-people-use-guns-in-self-defense

Here I found this NPR article that treat subject nicely … that Kleck points are just NRA talking points...

In fact, Cook told The Washington Post that the percentage of people who told Kleck they used a gun in self-defense is similar to the percentage of Americans who said they were abducted by aliens.

"The researchers who look at [Kleck's study] say this is just bad science," Hemenway says. "It's a well-known problem in epidemiology that if something's a rare event, and you just try to ask how many people have done this, you will get incredible overestimates."

Even if someone wanted to use a gun in self-defense, they probably wouldn't be very successful, says Mike Weisser, firearms instructor and author of the blog "Mike The Gun Guy." He says many people who carry a gun aren't properly trained to use it in this way, and there is no performance validation standard for police officers.

"If we don't even have a minimum standard, not for training, but for performance validation for our law enforcement," he says, "how in God's name is anybody going to say, 'Well, just because you have a gun in your pocket, you know how to use it in self-defense?' You don't."
 

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LINK:https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/602143823/how-often-do-people-use-guns-in-self-defense

Here I found this NPR article that treat subject nicely … that Kleck points are just NRA talking points...

In fact, Cook told The Washington Post that the percentage of people who told Kleck they used a gun in self-defense is similar to the percentage of Americans who said they were abducted by aliens.

"The researchers who look at [Kleck's study] say this is just bad science," Hemenway says. "It's a well-known problem in epidemiology that if something's a rare event, and you just try to ask how many people have done this, you will get incredible overestimates."

Even if someone wanted to use a gun in self-defense, they probably wouldn't be very successful, says Mike Weisser, firearms instructor and author of the blog "Mike The Gun Guy." He says many people who carry a gun aren't properly trained to use it in this way, and there is no performance validation standard for police officers.

"If we don't even have a minimum standard, not for training, but for performance validation for our law enforcement," he says, "how in God's name is anybody going to say, 'Well, just because you have a gun in your pocket, you know how to use it in self-defense?' You don't."
I could care less what some Ivy League researcher says. Go into the Ghetto and Barrios and see for yourself what the odds are surviving armed vs unarmed. A gun doesn't always work in a self defense situation but sometimes it does. If anyone believes the police and judicial system will protect them then I want to smoke what they smoke.
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As info:

armed citizen American Rifleman

Although the Euro-peeps may not have access due to their current laws.

Isolate a certain article and/or item and I will copy/paste.

Btw, I keep my Grand-pa's Colt .32 Long in my 'puter drawer. I have zero dogs in this fight, though I lean far away from ur position Kirky. i believe you are "around the bend." on this one.

G
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I could care less what some Ivy League researcher says. Go into the Ghetto and Barrios and see for yourself what the odds are surviving armed vs unarmed. A gun doesn't always work in a self defense situation but sometimes it does. If anyone believes the police and judicial system will protect them then I want to smoke what they smoke.
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why not get rid of ghettos and barrios - o wait: taxation is theft?

when a civilisation is broken shooting up somebody is hardly the answer, is it?
to quote michael gove: we've had enough of the experts?
(i'm aware of the fact that this cuts his original quote short)
 
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Under order from President Obama (not a pro gun guy) the CDC researched gun violence. The report stated:

"Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010). On the other hand, some scholars point to a radically lower estimate of only 108,000 annual defensive uses based on the National Crime Victimization Survey (Cook et al., 1997). "

Even if you use the low number of 100K annual defensive use, that is more then enough to prove that defensive gun use is far from a "myth".

Additionally here are some personal stories:

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/true-stories-november-december-2019/

"A Chicago man was leaving home with his son when he was accosted by an armed stranger who began threatening the pair with violence. Fearing for the safety of his child, the man pushed his son behind him and turned to face the threat. The stranger, seeing this defensive action as intimidation, increased his aggressive behavior, then fired on the father and son. The father promptly drew his legally carried pistol and returned fire, hitting his attacker several times and ending the event. Responding police are investigating the incident as a self-defense shooting by the father, and the assailant turned out to be a gang member who had threatened other people that day."

"A Jacksonville woman living in a quiet neighborhood was forced to defend herself and her two children when the estranged father of her two kids broke into her home around midnight. The 25-year-old woman had an active restraining order in place against the man for the past several months, during which time he had threatened to kill her. Fearing for her safety when he forced his way into the home, the woman shot him several times and then called police."


I was raised in the country and have used guns to put food on the table and protect livestock. Growing up guns were treated like the chainsaw, tractor or any number of other tools. Yes they were dangerous to use and you had to respect them but each had their function.

On top of that I do believe self defense is a human right or if you believe in God then a God given right, Exodus 22:2-3 “If a thief is caught in the act of breaking into a house and is struck and killed in the process, the person who killed the thief is not guilty of murder."

The 2nd Amendment of the Constitution protects that right from Government infringement.

I own and shoot multiple guns today, including a reproduction 1860 Springfield and an original Navy Colt produced in 1863 (that one I dont shoot).

Still living out in the country where Police response time can be lengthy, the knowledge that I have the tools I need to defend myself and family brings me comfort.
 
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