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New England, Native Americans and the Roots of Slavery...
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Same word confirmatio (Latin) Confirmation (English) ad ung as a German ending to the firm in confirmation
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...per the account of John the Baptist. It's a Christian thing. You either believe it now or come to understand it later. Not really material for a Civil War forum though, PM would be better.
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why most of those shooting each other had vowed to stick to the 10 commandments
Thou shallst not kill anybody?
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The German Catholic tradition runs deep. Martin Luther was perhaps the most devout Catholic of his century, in his view the Church leaving him not the other way around.
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Casablanca reference?
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.... burn the usual susbects would fit both Casablanca and the holy mother church
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Nope. My reason is that I grew up.
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Duck, @bryon ed! Here comes my wrench in the works! What about the Praying Indians of New England - kind of like Christianity will civilize the poor benighted Africans. Still were sold in Jamaica, praying all the way, and they weren't even the ones who did the uprising. Jesuits in California - lots of lovely missions for the Mission Indians. What is this 'free will' you speak of? I don't know most of the Jesuits gave any lessons in that because free will said I'll keep my own belief system, thank you very much... Get back here, you pagans, we're going to beat you til you believe. Gosh...Jesuits are still running California, and Oregon as it happens!
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If I just gotta enter this fray...
God has 3 characteristics Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent. Free will violates at least 2 of these. Free Will mucks up Omnipotent, because if God is all-powerful but lacks control over free will, then he is not all-powerful. Free Will mucks up Omniscient -all-knowing because if free will exists, then God cannot know all possibilities and permutations of free will decisions. All present Omnipresent is threatened because how can God be in all futures caused by free will decisions over time.
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Damn, JGG, when you jump you go right off the deep end! How my cranium doth spin!
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Apologies, I'll crawl back into my hermit's cave.
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Here is something for you... it a long long article... I think our Germans friends may find the first half interesting...
How American Racism Influenced Hitler
How did a civilized society come to embrace Hitler’s extreme ideas? In 2018, Alex Ross wrote about the scholars mapping the international precursors of Nazism.
The Holocaust is the greatest crime in history, one that people remain desperate to understand. Germany’s plunge from the heights of civilization to the depths of barbarism is an everlasting shock.
Whitman methodically explores how the Nazis took inspiration from American racism of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. He notes that, in “Mein Kampf,” Hitler praises America as the one state that has made progress toward a primarily racial conception of citizenship, by “excluding certain races from naturalization.”
“Concentration camps were not invented in Germany,” Hitler said in 1941. “It is the English who are their inventors, using this institution to gradually break the backs of other nations.” The British had operated camps in South Africa, the Nazis pointed out. Party propagandists similarly highlighted the sufferings of Native Americans and Stalin’s slaughter in the Soviet Union.
Whitman’s “Hitler’s American Model,” with its comparative analysis of American and Nazi race law, joins such previous studies as Carroll Kakel’s “The American West and the Nazi East,” a side-by-side discussion of Manifest Destiny and Lebensraum; and Stefan Kühl’s “The Nazi Connection,” which describes the impact of the American eugenics movement on Nazi thinking. This literature is provocative in tone and, at times, tendentious, but it engages in a necessary act of self-examination, of a kind that modern Germany has exemplified.
Snap... Native Americans...
The Nazis were not wrong to cite American precedents. Enslavement of African-Americans was written into the U.S. Constitution. Thomas Jefferson spoke of the need to “eliminate” or “extirpate” Native Americans. In 1856, an Oregonian settler wrote, “Extermination, however unchristianlike it may appear, seems to be the only resort left for the protection of life and property.” General Philip Sheridan spoke of “annihilation, obliteration, and complete destruction.” To be sure, others promoted more peaceful—albeit still repressive—policies. The historian Edward B. Westermann, in “Hitler’s Ostkrieg and the Indian Wars” (Oklahoma), concludes that, because federal policy never officially mandated the “physical annihilation of the Native populations on racial grounds or characteristics,” this was not a genocide on the order of the Shoah. The fact remains that between 1500 and 1900 the Native population of U.S. territories dropped from many millions to around two hundred thousand.
America’s knack for maintaining an air of robust innocence in the wake of mass death struck Hitler as an example to be emulated. He made frequent mention of the American West in the early months of the Soviet invasion. The Volga would be “our Mississippi,” he said. “Europe—and not America—will be the land of unlimited possibilities
One of Goebbels’s less propitious schemes was to confer honorary Aryan status on Native American tribes, in the hope that they would rise up against their oppressors.
California’s sterilization program directly inspired the Nazi sterilization law of 1934. There are also sinister, if mostly coincidental, similarities between American and German technologies of death. In 1924, the first execution by gas chamber took place, in Nevada.
When Hitler praised American restrictions on naturalization, he had in mind the Immigration Act of 1924, which imposed national quotas and barred most Asian people altogether.
Snip... the 1924 act killed Jews...
The Immigration Act, too, played a facilitating role in the Holocaust, because the quotas prevented thousands of Jews, including Anne Frank and her family, from reaching America.
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Hence Free Will, or is it "Free Willy"? Which one is the movie again?
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Free Willy is an unfettered penis, free of restrictive clothing. Just sayin'. Did they make a movie about it?
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