Did Virginia completely secede?

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The Richmond government passed ordinances of secession. But the western and northern counties seem to have been left out.
The / true successor to George Washington was General Winfield Scott. He was an internationally recognized figure and he did not join the secessionist movement.
I was always surprised that during Scott's tenure as general in chief he installed another Virginia named Dyer as the head of the Springfield armory. Dyer was focused on standardizing the machining of the parts, so that numerous shops in New England could assist in the task of putting a decent rifle in the hands of every soldier.
Another notable Virginia was Samuel P. Lee, who became the best blockade administrator the US had. People may have been jealous of Lee. But the British knew that capturing and selling the blockade runners and their cargoes was exactly what Lee supposed to do. It was after all, a legalized form of piracy. In submarine warfare, the enemies cargo ships are destroyed. But the blockaders are allowed to make money on their captures.
The best operational and tactical officer on either side, the guy who could teach them all a thing or two about 19th century warfare was the Virginian, George "Pap" Thomas.
How many more Virginians sat it out, or even helped McClellan and Rosecrans claim the western counties for the potential new state?
 

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Here wiki will give you a start on Notable Virginians in the Civil war...


Around 27,000 Virginians in total served in the Union Army. These were roughly 21,000 white Virginians (including West Virginians), and roughly 6,000 Virginians of African ancestry. Some of these men served in Maryland units.

For the Union, West Virginia mustered between 22,000 and 25,000 men[1] in 20 infantry units, 7 cavalry units, 1 artillery unit and 3 other types of units. West Virginia did not organize any confederate regiments. Approximately 9,000 West Virginians chose to fight for the Confederate States of America and generally joined the confederate regiments of Virginia.
 

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This is an interesting link about VMI graduates who served in the UNION army...


The contributions of Virginia Military Institute alumni in Confederate service during the Civil War are well known. Over 92 percent of the almost two thousand who wore the cadet uniform also wore Confederate gray. What is not commonly remembered is that thirteen alumni served in the Union army and navy-and two others, loyal to the Union, died in Confederate hands. Why these men did not follow the overwhelming majority of their cadet comrades and classmates who chose to support the Commonwealth and the South is not difficult to explain. Several of them lived in the remote counties west of the Alleghenies where citizens had long felt estranged from the rest of the state. Citizens of the West sought to dismember Virginia and establish their own mountain state. This was a legacy of the 1829-1830 constitutional convention which those from western Virginia thought left them under-represented in Richmond. Although reapportionments following the censuses of 1840 and 1850 improved eastern-western relations, problems remained. Virginia's ratification of the ordinance of secession in mid-April1861 caused a large part of western Virginia's citizens to organize Unionist meetings and to consider severing the highland counties from the state. Only a month after the state left the Union a convention in Wheeling called for a referendum on secession, and in a short while western Virginia was organized as the legitimate government of the commonwealth (and later a separate state), electing a governor, and sending senators and congressmen to Washington. Concurrent with these political events, Unionist companies were drilling in Wheeling, Clarksburg, Grafton, and other places, and the First Virginia Volunteer Infantry, raised in the western part of the state, was the initial regiment to respond to President Lincoln's call for troops. Some of these loyalists were VMI men who contributed their military training to some of the new units, but others (such as Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson, the West Point graduate and VMI professor from Clarksburg) did not. Still, other Virginians had felt the lure of new opportunities in the West and had left their native state before the war. Many had settled in Missouri which became a battleground of lawless bands seeking to end or encourage slavery in the state and, with secession, to keep it in the Union or make it a Confederate state. Here too, a resident loyal to his state could be drawn either way. Finally, some VMI men were not Virginians at all or had tenuous connections to the Commonwealth. While only natives of the state were accepted as cadets at first, by the late 1850s citizens of many Northern and Southern states were found in the Corps of cadets
 

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Here wiki will give you a start on Notable Virginians in the Civil war...


Around 27,000 Virginians in total served in the Union Army. These were roughly 21,000 white Virginians (including West Virginians), and roughly 6,000 Virginians of African ancestry. Some of these men served in Maryland units.

For the Union, West Virginia mustered between 22,000 and 25,000 men[1] in 20 infantry units, 7 cavalry units, 1 artillery unit and 3 other types of units. West Virginia did not organize any confederate regiments. Approximately 9,000 West Virginians chose to fight for the Confederate States of America and generally joined the confederate regiments of Virginia.
'Dyer is the most interesting. He was a high ranking graduate and seems to have understood rifles.
 

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We forgot to mention West Virginia seceded from Virginia and that was where the majority of the Unionists lived... I say YES, Virginia did secede if only for a short time. It was everything to the Confederate war effort...
 

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We forgot to mention West Virginia seceded from Virginia and that was where the majority of the Unionists lived... I say YES, Virginia did secede if only for a short time. It was everything to the Confederate war effort...

Screw the rebs, they started it.

 
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