Captured US Infantry Regt flag from War of 1812
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Schwoll! As if.
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... btw, please make those sources links to where you actually found that stuffSchwoll! As if.
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I found this:
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Before they could follow up on their success and complete the victory, the Fourth received orders from General Hull to return to Detroit. There, the Fourth found out that General Hull had surrendered his entire force to include the Fourth led by Captain Cook to Lieutenant Bullock of the 41st Regiment on 16 August 1812 at Fort Detroit, Michigan.[2] For this General Hull was tried and found guilty of "Cowardliness" and "Neglect of Duty". President Monroe, mitigating the court-martial sentence that General Hull be shot, ruled: "The rolls of the army shall no longer be debased by having upon them the name of Brigadier General Hull". The Fourth Infantry's colors, taken by the British at the surrender ordered by Hull, were kept in the Tower of London until 1889, then the colors for many years hung in the Chapel of the Royal Hospital Chelsea[3] until 1961. Along the walls of the Great Hall are replicas (the original are in the museum).[4] They are currently in the Welch Regiment Museum.[5][6]
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Before they could follow up on their success and complete the victory, the Fourth received orders from General Hull to return to Detroit. There, the Fourth found out that General Hull had surrendered his entire force to include the Fourth led by Captain Cook to Lieutenant Bullock of the 41st Regiment on 16 August 1812 at Fort Detroit, Michigan.[2] For this General Hull was tried and found guilty of "Cowardliness" and "Neglect of Duty". President Monroe, mitigating the court-martial sentence that General Hull be shot, ruled: "The rolls of the army shall no longer be debased by having upon them the name of Brigadier General Hull". The Fourth Infantry's colors, taken by the British at the surrender ordered by Hull, were kept in the Tower of London until 1889, then the colors for many years hung in the Chapel of the Royal Hospital Chelsea[3] until 1961. Along the walls of the Great Hall are replicas (the original are in the museum).[4] They are currently in the Welch Regiment Museum.[5][6]
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I do not know why it ended up in Wales...
If you read the 4th was not at Ft. Detroit when it fell...
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Of Hull’s 2,000-man army, most were militiamen, and British General Isaac Brock allowed them to return to their homes on the frontier. The regular U.S. Army troops were taken as prisoners to Canada
U.S. surrenders Fort Detroit to the British
During the War of 1812, American General William Hull surrenders Fort Detroit and his army to the British without a fight. Hull, a 59-year-old veteran of the
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Of Hull’s 2,000-man army, most were militiamen, and British General Isaac Brock allowed them to return to their homes on the frontier. The regular U.S. Army troops were taken as prisoners to Canada
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I find little detail about the colors ladies in Boston...
On August 16, 1812, one week from the battle of Maguago, and with troops flushed and enthused with the success of that battle, General Hull basely surrendered his entire command, without a show of resistance, to less than its own numbers of British, Canadians and Indians. As one of the results of this base surrender, the regiment lost a beautiful stand of colors, presented to it by the ladies of Boston when it was stationed in the Eastern States.
On August 16, 1812, one week from the battle of Maguago, and with troops flushed and enthused with the success of that battle, General Hull basely surrendered his entire command, without a show of resistance, to less than its own numbers of British, Canadians and Indians. As one of the results of this base surrender, the regiment lost a beautiful stand of colors, presented to it by the ladies of Boston when it was stationed in the Eastern States.
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I found this part about thier captivity... Read about thier exchange journey... They were back in the fight by 1813...
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After the surrender the officers and men of the regiment were taken as prisoners of war to Montreal, Canada, suffering great hardships on the way from excessive ill‑treatment p8 and the want of even the plainest food. "Arriving at Montreal on the evening of September 27th, 1812, the reform was met by crowds of people who had collected, as they said, 'to have a peep at General Hull's exterminating Yankees.' A band of music joined the escort and struck up our much admired ditty, 'Yankee Doodle,' in which it was joined by all of us who could whistle the tune. When they ceased to play, 'Yankee Doodle' was loudly called for by the regiment. At last, mortified at our conduct, the band began 'Rule Britannia,' which was cheered by the multitude, but we still continued our favorite song, some singing and others whistling, till we reached the barracks."1
From Montreal the regiment was sent to Quebec, where the men were confined on board two transports in the river. Many men died during their imprisonment from the ill‑usage they had received, and the bodies were buried back of the city. Finally the regiment was exchanged and sent from Quebec on October 29th on an old schooner bound for Boston. On the Gulf of St. Lawrence a furious storm was encountered, and the old schooner became the prey of the waves for several days. Land was finally made at Shelturn, on the east side of the Bay of Fundy.b On the voyage thus far no less than fifteen men died and were buried at sea. Two more died at Shelturn, and before Boston was reached, on November 28th, thirty in all had been thrown overboard. Upon arriving in Boston General Boyd, the former Colonel of the regiment, did everything in his power to make the men who had served under him at Tippecanoe comfortable. On January 1st, 1813, all the remaining men, about 200, were given furloughs to return to their homes.2
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After the surrender the officers and men of the regiment were taken as prisoners of war to Montreal, Canada, suffering great hardships on the way from excessive ill‑treatment p8 and the want of even the plainest food. "Arriving at Montreal on the evening of September 27th, 1812, the reform was met by crowds of people who had collected, as they said, 'to have a peep at General Hull's exterminating Yankees.' A band of music joined the escort and struck up our much admired ditty, 'Yankee Doodle,' in which it was joined by all of us who could whistle the tune. When they ceased to play, 'Yankee Doodle' was loudly called for by the regiment. At last, mortified at our conduct, the band began 'Rule Britannia,' which was cheered by the multitude, but we still continued our favorite song, some singing and others whistling, till we reached the barracks."1
From Montreal the regiment was sent to Quebec, where the men were confined on board two transports in the river. Many men died during their imprisonment from the ill‑usage they had received, and the bodies were buried back of the city. Finally the regiment was exchanged and sent from Quebec on October 29th on an old schooner bound for Boston. On the Gulf of St. Lawrence a furious storm was encountered, and the old schooner became the prey of the waves for several days. Land was finally made at Shelturn, on the east side of the Bay of Fundy.b On the voyage thus far no less than fifteen men died and were buried at sea. Two more died at Shelturn, and before Boston was reached, on November 28th, thirty in all had been thrown overboard. Upon arriving in Boston General Boyd, the former Colonel of the regiment, did everything in his power to make the men who had served under him at Tippecanoe comfortable. On January 1st, 1813, all the remaining men, about 200, were given furloughs to return to their homes.2
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I think this is why their colors are in Wales...
It was posted to Canada in 1800 and saw service there during the War of 1812. It fought under Major General Isaac Brock at the siege of Detroit in August 1812 and the Battle of Queenston Heights in October 1812.
Engagements: War of 1812; First Anglo-Burmese War; First Anglo-Afghan War; Crim...
Branch: British Army
Size: One battalion (2 battalions in 1813)
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41st (Welch) Regiment of Foot - Wikipedia
It was posted to Canada in 1800 and saw service there during the War of 1812. It fought under Major General Isaac Brock at the siege of Detroit in August 1812 and the Battle of Queenston Heights in October 1812.
Engagements: War of 1812; First Anglo-Burmese War; First Anglo-Afghan War; Crim...
Branch: British Army
Size: One battalion (2 battalions in 1813)
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41st (Welch) Regiment of Foot - Wikipedia
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Here is capture British naval flags: video...
Object 59: Captured British Flags
Object 59: Captured British Flags page for 100 Objects, A History of the Navy at USNA.edu. Updated Fri Jul 22 08:33:41 EDT 2022.
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FAKE NEWS!Here is capture British naval flags: video...
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let me guess: operation dynamo is a fake, too as it was an orderly retreat with just one smle and two battle bowlers left behind?FAKE NEWS!
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Here are the first army colors captured by Americans... On display at West Point...FAKE NEWS!
7th Regiment Colors
Each regiment in the British Army at the time of the American Revolution carried two flags. The official order state: Colours. The King's, or first Colour of every Regiment, is...
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When the 7th arrived in Canada in 1773, they brought with them a set of regimental colours. When the Rebel forces invaded Canada in 1775, the regiment's colours were in storage at Fort Chambly on the Richelieu River. The Rebels laid siege to that post with over 400 men and 2 row galleys armed with heavy cannon. For Chambly, built in 1711, was never intended to be defensible against armies armed with cannons. The 83 men defending the post capitulated very quickly. With the surrender of the fort, the colours of the 7th Regiment were captured by the Rebels. The King's Colour was presented to Congress, and survives in the West Point Museum. It is not known what happened to the second colour.
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Here is a picture...FAKE NEWS!
King’s Color of the 7th Regiment of Foot (Royal Fusiliers), captured at Ft. Chambly, Quebec, on the 17th of October, 1775, and was the first enemy flag captured by the US Army. (Photo courtesy West Point Museum Collection)
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King’s Color of the 7th Regiment of Foot (Royal Fusiliers), captured at Ft. Chambly, Quebec, on the 17th of October, 1775, and was the first enemy flag captured by the US Army 2
King’s Color of the 7th Regiment of Foot (Royal Fusiliers), captured at Ft. Chambly, Quebec, on the 17th of October, 1775, and was the first enemy flag captured by the US Army. (Photo courtes…
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the 7th of foot / royal fusiliers ain't especially welsh i daresay or was the city of london located in wales in those days?Here is a picture...
King’s Color of the 7th Regiment of Foot (Royal Fusiliers), captured at Ft. Chambly, Quebec, on the 17th of October, 1775, and was the first enemy flag captured by the US Army. (Photo courtesy West Point Museum Collection)
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King’s Color of the 7th Regiment of Foot (Royal Fusiliers), captured at Ft. Chambly, Quebec, on the 17th of October, 1775, and was the first enemy flag captured by the US Army 2
King’s Color of the 7th Regiment of Foot (Royal Fusiliers), captured at Ft. Chambly, Quebec, on the 17th of October, 1775, and was the first enemy flag captured by the US Army. (Photo courtes…
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it's also totally not fair to them as they were hardly trained as a brand new regiment (barely 90 years old) when your guys got their coloursHere is a picture...
King’s Color of the 7th Regiment of Foot (Royal Fusiliers), captured at Ft. Chambly, Quebec, on the 17th of October, 1775, and was the first enemy flag captured by the US Army. (Photo courtesy West Point Museum Collection)
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King’s Color of the 7th Regiment of Foot (Royal Fusiliers), captured at Ft. Chambly, Quebec, on the 17th of October, 1775, and was the first enemy flag captured by the US Army 2
King’s Color of the 7th Regiment of Foot (Royal Fusiliers), captured at Ft. Chambly, Quebec, on the 17th of October, 1775, and was the first enemy flag captured by the US Army. (Photo courtes…
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if your co (hull) surrenders all your colours go to the enemy - as the 4th was under hull's command ...