Bibles of the Civil War

diane said:

I don't know, byron ed... If the Bible was in the guy's coat and there's a bullet in the Good Book and not in the guy's chest...I'd say that was sufficient proof it stopped the bullet!

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Nuff said.

Jim Klag said:

Nuff said.

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Shakespeare said:

from the front or from behind?

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and than

Shakespeare said:

some must go off

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No, he has a point or rather, many points. Many so-called "artifacts" were manufactured after the Late Unpleasantness--see Bannerman. I can not understand the apparent confusion.

Right is right and wrong is wrong, but we must have the ability to discern the friggin' difference w/o fear nor favor.

This ain't a political campaign.

Maybe I misread, but I thought the fact of a Bible being able to stop a bullet was the bone of contention! I sure understand the fakery - there are all sorts of faked items as well as faked people.

Just curious. Which of these is fake?

one of those containing a bullet wouldn't be trustworthy (yes two volumes one bible)

may be as part of a barricade

diane said:

I wouldn't underestimate a spent bullet either. Sherman was struck by one of them on the epaulette and by a non-spent bullet along the back of his hand. The spent bullet was the one that put his arm in a sling for weeks!

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Looking at the Bible, the 'spent' bullet made it into at least 3/4s inch into the packed paper. I figure that is at least an inch or more into flesh. Maybe not fatal, but going to hurt.

Jim Klag said:

Just curious. Which of these is fake?
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Any could be. A hammer would be sufficient

they said in one battle the life of Fridericus Rex (Friederich II of Prussia / der alte Frtz) was saved by a Schnupftabaksdose (snuff box) made of silver

jgoodguy said:

Looking at the Bible, the 'spent' bullet made it into at least 3/4s inch into the packed paper. I figure that is at least an inch or more into flesh. Maybe not fatal, but going to hurt.

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There's impediments to how lethal a shot is, that's for certain. A minie ball is generally considered to be mega-damaging as it has a little gas bubble in its tail that explodes upon hitting bone or cartilage. Nasty! Forrest was hit with one at closer than point blank range, which went through his heavy leather belt and traveled between the muscles of his back and his ribs before just barely touching its nose on the spine.

Wehrkraftzersetzer said:

they said in one battle the life of Fridericus Rex (Friederich II of Prussia / der alte Frtz) was saved by a Schnupftabaksdose (snuff box) made of silver

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Think it was Grant, not exactly sure, who played ping pong with a bullet using his sword. Just drawing it and Ping! somebody hit it just as it came in front of his side. Now that's freaky!

diane said:

Think it was Grant, not exactly sure, who played ping pong with a bullet using his sword. Just drawing it and Ping! somebody hit it just as it came in front of his side. Now that's freaky!

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The Memoirs of General Ulysses S. Grant, Chapter 25

www.historyofwar.org › sources › acw › grant › chapter25


CHAPTER XXV: STRUCK BY A BULLET ... A ball had struck the metal scabbard of my sword, just below the hilt, and broken it nearly off;

jgoodguy said:

The Memoirs of General Ulysses S. Grant, Chapter 25
www.historyofwar.org › sources › acw › grant › chapter25


CHAPTER XXV: STRUCK BY A BULLET ... A ball had struck the metal scabbard of my sword, just below the hilt, and broken it nearly off;

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There it is! It's another guy I'm thinking of then.

you got it all wrong

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not just the west - damned everywhere

diane said:

I don't know, byron ed... If the Bible was in the guy's coat and there's a bullet in the Good Book and not in the guy's chest...I'd say that was sufficient proof it stopped the bullet!

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If is the appropriate way to put it, since we know private's coats didn't have chest pockets and there's no physical indication of when the bullet lodged in the Good Book (that being easy to manufacture).

So by dismissing any prudent level of vetting you've freed yourself to believe there's sufficient proof, meh. I'll grant you it's a cute story, maybe worth turning a bit of a blind eye for the value of telling it. Start with your little nephews and nieces (or their kids if you're an old guy).

byron ed said:

So by dismissing any prudent level of vetting

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See, I think you forget they have a Bible with a bullet holes or even better a bullet in the Bible all you have is skepticism. They have an artifact and a military records showing service in a military units. Is not the burden of proof fall on you to prove them is lying...

byron ed said:

since we know private's coats didn't have chest pockets

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Did they have vests with pockets? Shirts with pockets? Somebody gave first hand evidence of his life having been saved and presented a bible with a ball lodged in it. As a lawyer would say, that is pretty substantial presumptive proof to overcome just by saying coulda, shoulda, woulda. Show us proof either that the soldier making the claim had no pockets anywhere, faked or post facto shot the bible, or wasn't hit by the bullet in question. As you have pointed out ad nauseum, REGULATION jackets had no chest pockets. Ever consider a non-regulation coat or an overcoat or a vest or a shirt with a pocket? Hmmm?

Jim Klag said:

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none of the isn't forged, it't just a matter of pysics
if a book stopps a bullet / ball the impact goes in side outward (as in a crater)

In all three examples the ball come sto a full stop without crampling every single page of the book
You would see a pattern of impact on every single page, everywhere in the book,
and oc at the edges, the covers would be tormented (but not the way of no 2, looks more like been bent)

no 1 really looks bad the forger wanted to do a nice clean thing not a good forgery


I know what I said about books been hid by a ball would surly be true for ordinary books but NOT for the holy bible.

don't think so this book has been altered so many time by human beings, to paraphrase George Carlin

If I'm not correct may god strike my readers dead.

byron ed said:

If is the appropriate way to put it, since we know private's coats didn't have chest pockets and there's no physical indication of when the bullet lodged in the Good Book (that being easy to manufacture).

So by dismissing any prudent level of vetting you've freed yourself to believe there's sufficient proof, meh. I'll grant you it's a cute story, maybe worth turning a bit of a blind eye for the value of telling it. Start with your little nephews and nieces (or their kids if you're an old guy).

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I don't even know what you just said!

No, all sorts of improbable things have stopped bullets besides the Bible. Luck, chance, fate, destiny - it all has a heyday in a war zone. Did you happen to notice Forrest's coat in that picture? It's stuffed full of stuff. Doesn't matter that he didn't have pockets in that coat...he had a belt. (Just like Lincoln had a hat he used for a filing cabinet. It didn't have drawers, but it was full nonetheless!)