New England, Native Americans and the Roots of Slavery...

Jim Klag said:

You're worried that you're not a slave? I'm very confused.

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ce qui m'inquiète? je ne suis l'esclave d'aucun homme! = What, me worry? I'm no slave to any man!

byron ed said:

What, me worry? I'm no slave to any man!

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but the LORD?

Wehrkraftzersetzer said:

but the LORD?

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(free will there, not slavery)

byron ed said:

(free will there, not slavery)

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i take it you never were catholic

rittmeister said:

i take it you never were catholic

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Maria Foldergnaden ....

rittmeister said:

i take it you never were catholic

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Baptized and raised. If you're unclear as to Catholic doctrine, the Catechism is yet your most basic source.

byron ed said:

Baptized and raised. If you're unclear as to Catholic doctrine, the Catechism is yet your most basic source.

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then you should know it has nothing to do with free will at all

ex-altarboy here

rittmeister said:

then you should know it has nothing to do with free will at all...ex-altarboy here

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or, then as now, there's the Catechism. I'm not sure where or what period in your life you got the misunderstanding that free will is not a core precept of the Catholic faith, hence the distinct focus on confession and communion -- sacraments of choice, to which we are invited, not ordered. As one former altar boy to another, perhaps this is the occasion to re-connect with your faith.

Anyway let's PM on this from here on out if necessary, it's not something for public venue on a Civil War forum.

you come into the church by your parents (who take a vow to do that when married). as far as the church is concerned you can't leave

where is the free will in this?

rittmeister said:

ex-altarboy here

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the Lord in his wisdom made me an agnostic

rittmeister said:

you come into the church by your parents (who take a vow to do that when married). as far as the church is concerned you can't leave

where is the free will in this?

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there is a l missing

byron ed said:

What, me worry? I'm no slave to any man!

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That is very easy-peasy to proclaim when you have never been under the whip or in chains. Or perhaps in a certain centralized mental compartment...which you seem to be in.

All I request is that most think more deeply. In some cases--including myself-- a hair-shirt may be required.

I have re-accessed many things. Old dogs can learn new tricks.

byron ed said:

the Catechism

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There is only One holy catechism in mind and that is The Constitution.

O' Be Joyful said:

There is only One holy catechism in mind and that is The Constitution.

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nothing holy with the constitution as there are clear rules how it can be ammended. it may be complicated but everybody can know how it's done

rittmeister said:

you come into the church by your parents (who take a vow to do that when married). as far as the church is concerned you can't leave...where is the free will in this?

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I see what's going on. You've not explored the meaning of Catholicism beyond your server days as a kid. That's no more your fault than being told what to do as a kid, but perhaps after all these years your left with an altar boy's understanding of his faith, a mistaken one in regards free will. Try reading the catechism as an adult, with an adult critical eye. And let's go PM from here on out, ok?

byron ed said:

I see what's going on. You've not explored the meaning of Catholicism beyond your server days as a kid. That's no more your fault than being told what to do as a kid, but perhaps after all these years your left with an altar boy's understanding of his faith, a mistaken one in regards free will. Try reading the catechism as an adult, with an adult critical eye. And let's go PM from here on out, ok?

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nope - no pm about that. you can't wiggle out of thisone. as far as the holy mother church is concerned you can't leave it. and nobody asked you to join.

rittmeister said:

nope - no pm about that. you can't wiggle out of thisone. as far as the holy mother church is concerned you can't leave it. and nobody asked you to join.

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I fully agree, a pm is in order and then you former alter boys can start swingin' incense filled opinions back and forth.

As a former Baptist I agree to referee...when needed.

O' Be Joyful said:

I fully agree, a pm is in order and then you former alter boys can start swingin' incense filled opinions back and forth.

As a former Baptist I agree to referee...when needed.

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an occasional throwing into hell is acceptable

O' Be Joyful said:

I fully agree, a pm is in order and then you former alter boys can start swingin' incense filled opinions back and forth.

As a former Baptist I agree to referee...when needed.

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hä?

rittmeister said:

...as far as the holy mother church is concerned you can't leave it. and nobody asked you to join.

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So you were never Confirmed? -- that point at which you choose for yourself to be of the faith. You do understand that at your Baptism your Godparents made your choice in proxy only, in advance of that time where you make the choice for yourself as a young adult. As for "nobody asked you to join" what did you think Confirmation was?

If it was merely a social requirement for you, something your parents and nuns told you to do, then that was wrong. I'd guess for you it should have come later, as a young man. That doesn't mean that, as an adult, you can't make that former social event something more genuine by now. But you'd have to want it, another free-will choice yet offered to you.

PM is more appropriate here. Let's not bother our fellow Christians with technicalities of doctrine, the Catholic faith is not the end-all / be-all of Christian faith after all.