German "Forty-Eighters" Impact the Civil War and Nation.

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In 1848, political revolution swept across Europe, the leaders of this movement were called "Forty-Eighters". The revolution of 1848 in Germany had early successes but it failed in the end. Many of the leaders of the German 1848 revolution after its failure left or fled to America, where they had an impact on our nation and our Civil war. Many of the names listed below will be recognized by many on this board.


The Forty-Eighters were Europeans who participated in or supported the revolutions of 1848 that swept Europe. In Germany, the Forty-Eighters favored unification of the country, a more democratic government, and guarantees of human rights.[1] Disappointed at the failure of the revolution to bring about the reform of the system of government in Germany or the Austro-Hungarian Empire and sometimes on the government's wanted list because of their involvement in the revolution, they gave up their old lives to try again abroad. Many emigrated to the United States, Canada, and Australia after the revolutions failed. They included Germans, Czechs, Hungarians, and others. Many were respected, wealthy, and well-educated; as such, they were not typical migrants. A large number went on to be very successful in their new countries.

Forty-Eighters in the USA

In the United States, many Forty-Eighters opposed nativism and slavery, in keeping with the liberal ideals that had led them to flee Germany. Several thousand enlisted in the Union Army, where they became prominent in the Civil War.
Many Forty-Eighters settled in the Texas Hill Country in the vicinity of Fredericksburg, and voted heavily against Texas's secession. In the Bellville area of Austin County, another destination for Forty-Eighters, the German precincts voted decisively against the secession ordinance. [2]
More than 30,000 Forty-Eighters settled in the Over-the-Rhine neighborhood of Cincinnati, Ohio. There they helped define the distinct German culture of the neighborhood, but in some cases also brought a rebellious nature with them from Germany. During violent protests in 1853 and 1854, Forty-Eighters were responsible for the murders of two law enforcement officers.[3]
After the Civil War, Forty-Eighters supported improved labor laws and working conditions. They also advanced the country's cultural and intellectual development in such fields as education, the arts, medicine, journalism, and business.
Famous German Forty-Eighters in the US

These German "Forty-Eighters" had an impact on our nation and on our Civil War. These last paragraphs were taken form Wiki--- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty-Eighters


Why is it always the liberals that change the world for the better....

A thought to ponder...
 
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I have noticed over the years that the right-wing picks the revolution of 1848 that swept over Europe as a forerunner to the communist revolution of early 1900. The 1848 revolt was middle class-based revolting for democratic principles. They were fighting for freedoms like freedom of press and freedom of assembly. They wanted Parliaments that had power and wanted the noble rulers in Germany of giving up some of their powers. I admit that there may have been some early communist among but that does not make it a communist revolution...It was lead by the middle class the revolution of 1848...
 

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I suspected that many in leadership positions of the XI Corps were many X Forty-Eighters.

Franz Siegel
Carl Schutz
Alexander Schimmelfennig
Lugwig Blenker

The four men listed above all knew each other in Germany during the 1848 revolution. Siegel, Schutz, and Schimmelfennig all commanded the XI Corp at one time during the civil war.

Julius Stahel was an Austrian 48er that led the XI Corps at one time during the civil war.
 

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Fracture--

The Forty-Eighters like Alexander Schimmelfennig of the 11th Corps while in London before coming to America was part of the German Democratic Movement that bitterly oppose Karl Marx...

The Forty-Eighters after the failed revolution of 1848 fracture into different political movements...
 

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A Link: https://www.americanhistoryusa.com/german-immigration-forty-eighters-cultural-legacy/





One of the great waves of immigration to the United States occurred in the mid-19th century from Germany. Many left because of economic conditions and the promise of opportunity in the United States. A smaller group consisted of political refugees from a series of failed revolutions in 1848. This group, the "Forty-Eighters", had many writers, reformers, and politicians. As a whole, Germans moved to many newly-settled areas of the country and provided their own cultural influences to the American tradition. Cincinnati, Milwaukee, and St. Louis were three cities with large German populations.
 

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There is another thing the 48er favored (at least bin Germany): Conscription in peacetime, so that those who were called in wartime would acctually know what to do with a gun.
The German governments feared that as they feared the Turnerbewegung. Fit people able to use arms.
They feared it as Germans say "wie der Teufel das Werihwasser". (as the devil fears the holy water)
 
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Turnerbewegung was political and fitness to be prepared in the cause of war (especially with France). The nobility smelled revolution.
 

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die revolution von 1848
I get the impression the Bismarck helped kill it by implying the "Austrian are coming, Austrian are coming!" ...

The 1848 revolution did die but do Germans think it's a lost moment for Germany or just a blip in their history...
 

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I get the impression the Bismarck helped kill it by implying the "Austrian are coming, Austrian are coming!" ...

The 1848 revolution did die but do Germans think it's a lost moment for Germany or just a blip in their history...
you are kidding, right?
 

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you are kidding, right?
In truth, I am just trying to great an answer to my question... If I have to cause some tempers the flair to do...

By late 1848, the Prussian aristocrats including Otto von Bismarck and generals had regained power in Berlin. They were not defeated permanently during the incidents of March, but had only retreated temporarily. General von Wrangel led the troops who recaptured Berlin for the old powers, and King Frederick William IV of Prussia immediately rejoined the old forces. In November, the king dissolved the new Prussian parliament and put forth a constitution of his own based upon the work of the assembly, yet maintaining the ultimate authority of the king.

The achievements of the revolutionaries of March 1848 were reversed in all of the German states and by 1851, the Basic Rights from the Frankfurt Assembly had also been abolished nearly everywhere. In the end, the revolution fizzled because of the divisions between the various factions in Frankfurt, the calculating caution of the liberals, the failure of the left to marshal popular support and the overwhelming superiority of the monarchist forces.


The Prussian vs Austrian ... What about the "humiliation of Olmutz, 1850" ...
 

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In 1848, political revolution swept across Europe, the leaders of this movement were called "Forty-Eighters". The revolution of 1848 in Germany had early successes but it failed in the end. Many of the leaders of the German 1848 revolution after its failure left or fled to America, where they had an impact on our nation and our Civil war. Many of the names listed below will be recognized by many on this board.


The Forty-Eighters were Europeans who participated in or supported the revolutions of 1848 that swept Europe. In Germany, the Forty-Eighters favored unification of the country, a more democratic government, and guarantees of human rights.[1] Disappointed at the failure of the revolution to bring about the reform of the system of government in Germany or the Austro-Hungarian Empire and sometimes on the government's wanted list because of their involvement in the revolution, they gave up their old lives to try again abroad. Many emigrated to the United States, Canada, and Australia after the revolutions failed. They included Germans, Czechs, Hungarians, and others. Many were respected, wealthy, and well-educated; as such, they were not typical migrants. A large number went on to be very successful in their new countries.

Forty-Eighters in the USA

In the United States, many Forty-Eighters opposed nativism and slavery, in keeping with the liberal ideals that had led them to flee Germany. Several thousand enlisted in the Union Army, where they became prominent in the Civil War.
Many Forty-Eighters settled in the Texas Hill Country in the vicinity of Fredericksburg, and voted heavily against Texas's secession. In the Bellville area of Austin County, another destination for Forty-Eighters, the German precincts voted decisively against the secession ordinance. [2]
More than 30,000 Forty-Eighters settled in the Over-the-Rhine neighborhood of Cincinnati, Ohio. There they helped define the distinct German culture of the neighborhood, but in some cases also brought a rebellious nature with them from Germany. During violent protests in 1853 and 1854, Forty-Eighters were responsible for the murders of two law enforcement officers.[3]
After the Civil War, Forty-Eighters supported improved labor laws and working conditions. They also advanced the country's cultural and intellectual development in such fields as education, the arts, medicine, journalism, and business.
Famous German Forty-Eighters in the US

These German "Forty-Eighters" had an impact on our nation and on our Civil War. These last paragraphs were taken form Wiki--- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty-Eighters


Why is it always the liberals that change the world for the better....

A thought to ponder...
More importantly the Forty Eighters hugely impacted the quality of beer in Latin America for the better!
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North America too.
Sadly not quite true. Due to the stupidity of Proibition only a few large Brewers survived by selling baking products until Proibition ended after 13 long years. By the early 1980s only one decent brewery still existed and that was Anchor Steam Beer in San Francisco. The major breweries made tasteless crap. Fred Maytag the heir to the Maytag Company bought Anchor Steam and saved it from bankruptcy.
By the early 1980s slowly but surely young Brewers in Northern California and the Pacific Northwest started the microbrew revolution and now American beer is world class. In Latin America the beer breweries were never has bad as the American mass market breweries were. When I was in El Salvador during their Civil War Salvadorian beer was still much better then the mass market American crap. All Latin American beer that I ever had was based on German or Austrian styles although Mexican beer has a different yeast because Mexico is warmer then Germany so German Brewers had to adopt their yeast to the warmer climate.
So Mexican lager doesn't really tasty like German lager.
In Baja California there are no micro Brewers so Mexican beer is at least to some degree evolving past traditional German style beer.
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Sadly not quite true. Due to the stupidity of Proibition only a few large Brewers survived by selling baking products until Proibition ended after 13 long years. By the early 1980s only one decent brewery still existed and that was Anchor Steam Beer in San Francisco. The major breweries made tasteless crap. Fred Maytag the heir to the Maytag Company bought Anchor Steam and saved it from bankruptcy.
By the early 1980s slowly but surely young Brewers in Northern California and the Pacific Northwest started the microbrew revolution and now American beer is world class. In Latin America the beer breweries were never has bad as the American mass market breweries were. When I was in El Salvador during their Civil War Salvadorian beer was still much better then the mass market American crap. All Latin American beer that I ever had was based on German or Austrian styles although Mexican beer has a different yeast because Mexico is warmer then Germany so German Brewers had to adopt their yeast to the warmer climate.
So Mexican lager doesn't really tasty like German lager.
In Baja California there are no micro Brewers so Mexican beer is at least to some degree evolving past traditional German style beer.
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True and for a long time after, the major brewers kept the little folks out too.
However, in the 19th and early 20th centuries, small brewers were everywhere. Had to be because, before the advent of refrigerated rail cars, there was no way to ship beer to far-away markets.
 

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nobility smelled revolution.
Wisconsin got a few: http://dalbello.comminfo.rutgers.edu/FLVA/activists/48ers.html

Our ideals resemble the stars, which illuminate the night. No on will ever be able to touch them. But the men who, like the sailors on the ocean, take them for guides, will undoubtedly reach their goal. --Carl Schurz
After the failed German Revolution of 1848, thousands of German revolutionaries fled Europe and immigrated to the United States. Several of the '48ers came to Wisconsin, changing the culture and history of the state in the mid-19th Century.

Young and well educated, the exiled '48ers represented a new type of immigrant. Earlier German immigrants to Wisconsin tended to be farmers and tradesmen. The new immigrants were scholars, scientists, journalists, teachers, and lawyers. Indeed the '48ers that did try their hand at farming were often referred to as "Latin Farmers" because they spoke better Latin than English. The Wisconsin '48ers were men and women committed to freedom and liberty and came to America with these ideals intact.

Wisconsin represented a particularly fruitful state for the revolutionaries to settle in because Wisconsin's Constitution of 1848 allowed the foreign-born to vote after just one year of residency. Thus, immigrants could play a major role in Wisconsin politics. The Wisconsin Forty-Eighters did just that.



you are kidding, right?
48ers built a town... https://www.amazon.com/German-Speaking-48ers-Builders-Watertown-Wisconsin/dp/0924119233

Back in print again, this is the story of the "Forty-Eighters," political refugees who fled German-speaking countries in the aftermath of the failed revolutions of 1848. Among their numbers were Carl Schurz, later to become a U.S. senator and advisor to presidents Lincoln and Hayes, and his wife Margarethe Schurz, who founded the kindergarten movement in the United States.
Many Forty-Eighters settled in and enormously influenced the growth of Watertown, Wisconsin, which was at one time the second largest city in the state. By consulting source materials in English and German, Charles Wallman has skillfully unraveled the threads that tie the Forty-Eighters and their descendents to the history of Watertown. He chronicles not only the Forty-Eighters who subsequently became prominent in the German-American community of the United States but also those who never moved again and helped make their new hometown a thriving site of cultural and intellectual activity in the nineteenth century.
 

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