Your Long Life is Killing the Earth...

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Have you ever thought how many humans in your family tree came before you so you could be standing here today...

On the biggest steps in early human evolution scientists are in agreement. The first human ancestors appeared between five million and seven million years ago, probably when some apelike creatures in Africa began to walk habitually on two legs. They were flaking crude stone tools by 2.5 million years ago.

We typically estimate about 20 years per human generation (with the exception of recent history). Since anatomically modern humans first arose about 200 thousand years ago, this is about 10,000 generations of modern humans.


If you pick the 5,ooo,ooo year mark there has been 250,000 generation to get to here in today time... That means 250,000 humans lived in your family tree so you could be here today.

125,000 generation from the we started chipping rocks or 125,000 people live so you could be here today...

Modern man goes back 200,000 year so something like 10.000 generations/people have lived so we can be here today...
 

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125,000 generation from the we started chipping rocks or 125,000 people live so you could be here today...
Actually that would be at least 250,000 people. I'm relatively certain it took two to procreate back then, too. Unless of course, like Lee's mythical last stand, you also believe in immaculate or spontaneous conception.
 

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Actually that would be at least 250,000 people. I'm relatively certain it took two to procreate back then, too. Unless of course, like Lee's mythical last stand, you also believe in immaculate or spontaneous conception.
A point well taken... If could only remember there names now...

I want to point out if most of our 250,000 ancestor were put in a room barring langue issues. They would be able for the most put be able to conserve over hunting, gathering, farming, animal husbandry, but we would not be able to converse with them for we do not know those thing anymore. We only be able to talk to last three or six generation for they would know the industrial work... We can not even image our ancestors worlds or discuss things with them for they have no know ledge of our industrial world but they could talk with the generations that came before them thou...
 

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They would be able for the most put be able to conserve over hunting, gathering, farming, animal husbandry, but we would not be able to converse with them for we do not know those thing anymore.
Says who? Millions of people in the world still perform those tasks daily. You are channeling only 21st century American society. And there are still many Native Americans who live that lifestyle. If you think otherwise, ask @diane .
 

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Speak up, @5fish , I can't understand you! :D Actually, you may be partly right. There's something about the way the brain is wired for the 19th century and our modern times. The noise level alone would drive a 19th century person nuts! Even in the Amazon jungle you can't get away from the noise. Ships mess up the ancient communication routes the whales and other big sea critters have used for centuries - and they end up beaching themselves. Planes, trains and automobiles! Flocks of birds drop dead out of the sky from things we've gotten used to hearing. I'm still dragging my knuckles, though - I light up every other time I go through a supermarket's front door...I can feel their invisible rays! Check-out - just as soon not be there...
 
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Man's average life span was 38 for centuries and we have double it over the last 200 years...

least 250,000 people.
What have we done with this extra 40 of life..? Ask yourself what has man done with such a precious gift....

Ask @O' Be Joyful and @jgoodguy ...

WE used it to work more years... Think about it we wasted it on working and we waste the best 20years of it on working...

We double our life spans just to work it away, capitalism is truly evil...

WE are foolish creatures...
 

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capitalism is truly evil
That is moronic. You blame it on capitalism? Aren't communits and socialits living longer, too? Using the added years to better provide for the next generation does not seem to be a waste to me. Nor does it seem to be economically or ideologically based. Has that not been the goal of every generation - to make it possible for their children to be better off than they were? That, sir, is called progress. By the way, capitalism is the only system that allows the individual to rise as high as his intelligence, skill and effort can take him. Socialism and communism put the state ahead of the individual.
 

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That is moronic. You blame it on capitalism?
No, You have accept this work your life away and you do for a noble goal, for the betterment of the next generation. its the capitalist programing of the 20th century coursing through your mind. Have you ever ask is there something else than being a wage slave? Is there another course we can travel?

Has that not been the goal of every generation - to make it possible for their children to be better off than they were?
Yes, we want our children to better off than us but work 40 more years to do it, Why? Why not finish working a 50 so those last 30 years are your alone to do with? In France, there are jobs where you are retire by 55 and your life is yours. Question the system even if the have course it well...

By the way, capitalism is the only system that allows the individual to rise as high as his intelligence, skill and effort can take him. Socialism
No... Your have the 20th mind set given to you in our American vs Communism class in high school, associating socialism as communism. You the Nordic counties are not socialism but creative capitalism at work. The Nordic countries understand quality of life better than we do and we yell socialism to make it evil.

You what Capital gave us more than GDP... It gave birth to liberalism, environmentalism, consumerism, worker rights, and on and on... Capitalism gave birth to cure the evils of capitalism and all socialism as the Nordic understand is the round the edges of capitalism making family friendly...

All I am saying there better ways to spend your last 40 years on this earth than being a wage slave... or working til you die...
 

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No, You have accept this work your life away and you do for a noble goal, for the betterment of the next generation. its the capitalist programing of the 20th century coursing through your mind. Have you ever ask is there something else than being a wage slave? Is there another course we can travel?



Yes, we want our children to better off than us but work 40 more years to do it, Why? Why not finish working a 50 so those last 30 years are your alone to do with? In France, there are jobs where you are retire by 55 and your life is yours. Question the system even if the have course it well...



No... Your have the 20th mind set given to you in our American vs Communism class in high school, associating socialism as communism. You the Nordic counties are not socialism but creative capitalism at work. The Nordic countries understand quality of life better than we do and we yell socialism to make it evil.

You what Capital gave us more than GDP... It gave birth to liberalism, environmentalism, consumerism, worker rights, and on and on... Capitalism gave birth to cure the evils of capitalism and all socialism as the Nordic understand is the round the edges of capitalism making family friendly...

All I am saying there better ways to spend your last 40 years on this earth than being a wage slave... or working til you die...
Double moronic.
 

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Double moronic.
You seem to lack or do not like to use your imagination... Einstein quote: "Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination embraces the entire world, stimulating progress, giving birth to evolution."

I understand if ones question ones life. One fears to invalidate one's successes, achievements, even one's life. Fear not...

You realize none of those ism's I mention would not exist if capitalism had been run for the betterment of mankind, instead of for one's bank account...
 

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No, You have accept this work your life away and you do for a noble goal, for the betterment of the next generation. its the capitalist programing of the 20th century coursing through your mind. Have you ever ask is there something else than being a wage slave? Is there another course we can travel?
First of all, I had a vocation. I was an engineer - we designed and built stuff. That is not wage slavery. That is loving what you do and, incidentally, getting paid for it. Now I am retired and enjoying myself after 40 years of doing what I love. This other course you talk about - doing what, living how, lliving where, with whom?
 

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You seem to lack or do not like to use your imagination... Einstein quote: "Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination embraces the entire world, stimulating progress, giving birth to evolution."

I understand if ones question ones life. One fears to invalidate one's successes, achievements, even one's life. Fear not...

You realize none of those ism's I mention would not exist if capitalism had been run for the betterment of mankind, instead of for one's bank account...
And then, after you've exercised your imagination, your knowledge is required to make your imagined ideas work. And what the hell is "giving birth to evolution?" Evolution gives birth to you. You don't give birth to it. And let's talk about imagination. Have you ever begun with a blank piece of paper and created something from scratch? I have. And then, my friend, knowledge kicks in. All the education, the training, the years of experience take over and help you turn your creation into a product that can be used for its intended purpose as efficiently and inexpensively as possible. Einstein never had to build anything.
 

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Man's average life span was 38 for centuries and we have double it over the last 200 years...

What have we done with this extra 40 of life..? Ask yourself what has man done with such a precious gift....
I've often wondered about that age limit, as well as the extra years. Whose lifetimes are we measuring? Shastas in particular were long lived - Canyon Mary was 120 when she died - no bad teeth, good eyes, good ears, never had so much as a headache most of her life. Lots of the old timers were that way. Unless they were shot, drowned in the river or got into a knife fight, they were good for at least 100 years! When the life span dropped down to the mid-forties was when the diet changed - the reservations and rancherias received flour, sugar, oil, canned fruits and vegetables, very little fresh and very little meat. They also used good ol' DDT for the lice! Shasta Jake, who lived past 100 and died in the 60s said he lived that long because he never ate the white man's food or took their medicines. Might have been on to something there!
 

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"giving birth to evolution?"
I believe he was implying " the evolution of mankind, the advancement of mankind, progress...

I am glad you had a fulfilling career and life but now use your imagination on would could have been...
 

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I believe he was implying " the evolution of mankind, the advancement of mankind, progress...

I am glad you had a fulfilling career and life but now use your imagination on would could have been...
He meant progress. But it was lost in translation. Einstein, by the way, was always a money grubber or a wage slave as you call it. He took the job in the Swiss patent office to make more money than teaching and it was a job with a lot of free time so he could work on his thought experiments while getting paid. He came up with the theories and then the scientists and engineers did millions of man-hours of work to turn the theories into reality. Doing what Einstein did relied on his imagination. Doing literally everything else requires knowledge, without which imagination is just daydreaming.
 

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Can not have billionaires and stop climate change...


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These scientists are warning that human economic activity has overshot most of the planetary boundaries and is now destabilizing the Earth system. We’ve entered a zone of dangerous uncertainty and are at risk of triggering potentially irreversible tipping points.

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The first step is to recognise that, when it comes to human wellbeing, it’s not growth that matters – it’s how income and resources are distributed. And right now they are distributed very, very unequally. The richest 1% alone capture $19tn in income every year, which represents nearly a quarter of global GDP. That adds up to more than the GDP of 169 countries combined – a list that includes Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Argentina, all of the Middle East and the entire continent of Africa. The rich lay claim to an almost unimaginable share of the income from global GDP growth.

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Over and over again, the evidence points to the fact that billionaires – and millionaires, for that matter – are incompatible with planetary boundaries. If we want to live on a safe and habitable planet, we need to do something about inequality. This argument might sound radical, but it is widely shared among researchers who study this issue. The French economist Thomas Piketty, one of the world’s leading experts on inequality and climate, doesn’t mince his words: “A drastic reduction in the purchasing power of the richest would in itself have a substantial impact on the reduction of emissions at global level.”

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But it’s not just income inequality that’s a problem – it’s wealth inequality too. In the United States, for instance, the richest 1% have nearly 40% of the nation’s wealth. The bottom 50%, by contrast, have almost nothing: only 0.4%. On a global level, it’s worse still: the richest 1% own around half of all the wealth in the world.

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Clarification: a previous version of this article stated that the richest 1% of humanity emitted 100 times the CO2 of the poorest half. This has been clarified to "an individual in the richest 1% emits 100 times more than an individual in the poorest half of the human population".

You should read the article make you believe we need to flatten the wealth curve...
 

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This should make all you males on this board happy to know if you have children... @jgoodguy , @rittmeister , @Wehrkraftzersetzer , @diane , @O' Be Joyful , @Leftyhunter , @Jim Klag , @Nitti , @dedej ... You all know that we all share 50% of our genes from each parent but did you know that 60% of the genes that express themselves that make you come from your dad's 50% genes he donated in making you. For a reference thought, I have notice over the years most children boy or girl look more similar to their dads than to their moms.


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Overall, they found that most genes showed parent-of-origin effects in their levels of expression, and that paternal genes consistently won out. For up to 60 percent of the mouse’s genes, the copy from dad was more active than the copy from mom. This imbalance resulted in mice babies whose brains were significantly more like dad’s, genetically speaking.

Here another article or two...


 

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Well our gut bio is the best predictor of our health and fate...

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Now, scientists say they can even tell us about our future health. Two new studies find that our “microbiome”—the mix of microbes in our gutcan reveal the presence of many diseases better than our own genes can—and can even anticipate our risk of dying within the next 15 years.

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In the first study, researchers reviewed 47 studies looking at associations between the collective genomes of the gut microbes and 13 common diseases. These included schizophrenia, hypertension, and asthma—all of which are considered “complex” because they are caused by both environmental and genetic factors. They then compared these studies with 24 genome-wide association (GWA) studies, which correlate specific human genetic variants with diseases

Overall, the genetic signature of gut microbes was 20% better at discriminating between a healthy and an ill person than a person’s own genes, the team reports in a paper posted this month on the preprint server bioRxiv. The microbiome was 50% better than GWA studies at predicting whether someone had colorectal cancer. A person’s own genetic profile only outperformed the microbiome for predicting whether someone had type 1 diabetes


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In the second study, researchers looked at the link between a person’s microbiome and their life span. The analysis took advantage of a Finnish study that has been collecting health data from thousands of participants since 1972. In 2002, participants donated stool samples that were sequenced 15 years later. The data reveal that individuals with an abundance of Enterobacteriaceae bacteria—a family of potentially infectious bacteria that includes Escherichia coli and salmonella—are 15% more likely to die in the next 15 years the team reports this month on the preprint server medRxiv.
 

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Here one.... refresh...


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Within those trillions of gut bacteria are about 1,000 different species, represented by some 5,000 distinct bacterial strains. Everyone's gut microbiota is unique, but there are certain combinations and collections of bacteria that are found in healthy individuals.

The main factors that affect your personal microbial mix are age, diet, environment, genes, and medications (particularly exposure to antibiotics, which can deplete gut bacteria). Your gut microbiota plays many roles. It metabolizes nutrients from food and certain medications, serves as a protective barrier against intestinal infections, and produces vitamin K, which helps make blood-clotting proteins
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Here a 20 min video... we are killing our gut bio...

 
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