Who has the Nukes in this World...

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I found this convenient map to answer the question...


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I argue why can not Iran join this club of nations... I want to point out that South Africa left this club of nations and so did Ukraine. If we and the Russians had not bribed them to give up their nukes, they still be a whole nation with no foreign troops on their soil...
 

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I want to use NRA logic:

If every nation had nukes there would be no more war...

Could we not use Ukraine as an example of this logic...
 
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I found this convenient map to answer the question...


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I argue why can not Iran join this club of nations... I want to point out that South Africa left this club of nations and so did Ukraine. If we and the Russians had not bribed them to give up their nukes, they still be a whole nation with no foreign troops on their soil...
Iran will get nukes one way or the other. Pakistan and North Korea may very well sell them at the right price and they not have to import petroleum.
China may or may not sell nukes to Iran and they just signed a 25 billion dollar trade deal with Iran. China is going to purchase a massive amount of Iranian oil at a discount.
Atomic weaponry is a 76 year old technology and that was well before computers or at least as we know computer's today.
The Ukraine made a huge mistake getting rid of their nukes. Post Apartheid South Africa didn't need nukes .
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Iran will get nukes one way or the other. Pakistan and North Korea may very well sell them at the right price and they not have to import petroleum.
China may or may not sell nukes to Iran and they just signed a 25 billion dollar trade deal with Iran. China is going to purchase a massive amount of Iranian oil at a discount.
Atomic weaponry is a 76 year old technology and that was well before computers or at least as we know computer's today.
The Ukraine made a huge mistake getting rid of their nukes. Post Apartheid South Africa didn't need nukes .
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should nukes be covered by the 2nd ammendment?
 
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should nukes be colvered by the 2nd ammendment?
You mean covered by the 2nd Amendment?
Probably not since nukes didn't exsist in 1783. Of course in order to intiate a Supreme Court case one has to actually physically posess a nuke then get arrested then try if convicted to appeal the conviction firstly to the US Circuit Court of Appeals and then if the appeal fails hope the US Supreme Court will grant a writ of certiorari which requires at least four US Supreme Court Justices. So if you're willing to spend at least seven years in a federal penitentiary and much more if the US Supreme Court either does not grant a writ of certiorari or rules against the appeal then one would be out of luck.
An attorney or a defendant representing him or herself can attempt to get jury nullification but it's a long shot at best.
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You mean covered by the 2nd Amendment?
Probably not since nukes didn't exsist in 1783.
  1. of course - that's a (now corrected) typo
  2. funny you would say that - neither did semiautomatic pistols, submachine guns or ar-15s
... so i guess it's back to flintlocks - okay let's cut them some slack and allow everything up to trapdoors under the 2nd
 

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  1. of course - that's a (now corrected) typo
  2. funny you would say that - neither did semiautomatic pistols, submachine guns or ar-15s
... so i guess it's back to flintlocks - okay let's cut them some slack and allow everything up to trapdoors under the 2nd
That argument has been made by some federal judges in previous court cases. Justce Thomas as rejected that argument. The Justices in Heller vs Washington DC didn't agree with that reasoning about allowing firearms technology only up to the trapdoor being protected by the 2nd Amendment. At this moment there are three Democratic Party Justices vs Six Repubican Part Justices and judges are partisan ( see Bush v.Gore ) so getting even two of the six current Republican Justices to agree that only Nineteenth Century firearms deserve 2nd Amendment protection might be a bridge to far.
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Purty auto-rifles, but they were restricted in 1934.



Thompson tried to sell it as a "varmit" gun after WW I sales dried up. then came

The NFA was originally enacted in 1934. Similar to the current NFA, the original Act imposed a tax on the making and transfer of firearms defined by the Act, as well as a special (occupational) tax on persons and entities engaged in the business of importing, manufacturing, and dealing in NFA firearms. The law also required the registration of all NFA firearms with the Secretary of the Treasury. Firearms subject to the 1934 Act included shotguns and rifles having barrels less than 18 inches in length, certain firearms described as “any other weapons,” machine guns, and firearm mufflers and silencers.


General John T. Thompson, a graduate of West Point, began his research in 1915 for an automatic weapon to supply the American military. World War I was dragging on and casualties were mounting. Having served in the Army's ordnance supplies and logistics, General Thompson understood that greater firepower was needed to end the war.
Thompson was driven to create a lightweight, fully automatic firearm that would be effective against the contemporary machine gun. His idea was "a one-man, hand held machine gun. A trench broom!" The first shipment of Thompson prototypes arrived on the dock in New York for shipment to Europe on November 11, 1918, the day that the War ended.

In 1919, Thompson directed Auto Ordnance to modify the gun for nonmilitary use. The gun, classified a "submachine gun" to denote a small, hand-held, fully automatic firearm chambered for pistol ammunition, was officially named the "Thompson submachine gun" to honor the man most responsible for its creation.
With military and police sales low, Auto Ordnance sold its submachine guns through every legal outlet it could. A Thompson submachine gun could be purchased either by mail order, or from the local hardware or sporting goods store.

While Auto Ordnance was selling the Thompson submachine gun on the open market in the '20s, Gen. Thompson was uncomfortably aware of what the guns could do if in the wrong hands. To his distress, the submachine gun turned out to be the weapon chosen by gangsters.
The "Tommy Gun" gun, literally, made the '20s roar. Possessing tremendous firepower, the Thompson submachine gun was an effective weapon. The Thompson was used by gangsters, such as Al Capone, John Dillinger and Baby Face Nelson.


Been to his home.

Julia Parker was the mother of the famous firearm inventor. John T. Thompson (1860-1940). Thompson’s father was a colonel in the Union army during the Civil War, having graduated from West Point in New York in 1851. Much like his father, Thompson would go on to attend West Point as well, graduating in 1882. After being promoted to 2nd lieutenant, Thompson would be assigned to the army Ordinance department in 1890. (See the NKyTribune story on John T. Thompson here)


It is time to update the rules.
 
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  1. of course - that's a (now corrected) typo
  2. funny you would say that - neither did semiautomatic pistols, submachine guns or ar-15s
... so i guess it's back to flintlocks - okay let's cut them some slack and allow everything up to trapdoors under the 2nd
https://www.vox.com/2021/4/26/22364...ate-rifle-corlett-shootings-kavanaugh-barrett
In the US Supreme Court decision District of Columbia vs Heller the US Supreme Court in a five to four decision upheld the right of the goverment to ban dangerous or unusual weapons. Justices Thomas,Barret and Kavenaugh are not per past court decisions sympathetic to the argument that the 2nd Amendment only applies to 19th Certainly era firearms.
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I found a stains glass window for the nuclear age...


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I found a stain glass window at a church on or near an air force base... The link talks about the churches stain glass windows that are commemorations of air force early nuclear weapons history...


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Another commemoration on the window calls out SAC’s global reach with an image of Lucky Lady II, the B-50 bomber which flew the first non-stop aerial circumnavigation of the globe in 1949. An air-refueling boom of pale glass connects the bomber to its air tanker.

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But the most interesting and eye-opening image is of a mushroom cloud and the name “Eniwetok.” The cloud, of course, symbolizes an atomic bomb explosion. Eniwetok is a Pacific atoll where the United States tested nuclear weapons during the 1940s and 1950s.

The image commemorates the Eighth Air Force’s historical place as America’s first nuclear bomber force. However, the Command Chapel’s memorial window names the wrong island.

Contrary to the account on the chapel windows, no SAC bomber participated in the 1948 Operation Sandstone tests on Eniwetok Atoll. No air drops occurred, either. All three test explosions blew up at the top of towers built on the islands
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I found a stains glass window for the nuclear age...


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text is 2nd peter, 3-10 - the original windows broke when wehrmacht engineers blew up the alte brücke on march 29th, 1945 in a futile attempt to hold off some yankees
 

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@nd Peter 3-10... text...


The Day of the Lord
3 Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking. 2 I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles.

3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.[a]
 

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The Yankee want realize the date is Aug 6, 1945 not June 8, 1945... because you(Europeans) put the day first and the month next then the year...
not all is lost in this one - the continentals
 
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