Was the American Civil War actually the American Self-coup?

[TomEvans]

Glad to see reason...

Or humor in your LACK of it:

Only among nation-states... not states or provinces... or counties or cities...

Your implication here, was that the individual states were NOT nation-states

However, historical fact proves that the states did NOT declare a national union in 1776 which was their political superior (which the US government claims they DID, as its core essential premise for claiming national union).

Therefore legal fact does not not align with historical fact; which precludes government by informed consent.

And since the US government CLAIMS to OPERATE by informed consent, then this proves that it is overtly authoritarian.

 

[5fish]

However, historical fact proves that the states did NOT declare a national union in 1776 which was their political superior (which the US government claims they DID, as its core essential premise for claiming national union).

This is what happen in 1776... "out of many, one"..

Think out of many people and colonies became one, why is that so hard for you to understand...

E pluribus unum - Wikipedia

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[TomEvans]

This is what happen in 1776... "out of many, one"..

Think out of many people and colonies became one, why is that so hard for you to understand...

E pluribus unum - Wikipedia

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One international union of 13 free and independent states.

NOT a national union which was political superior to the states.
National sovereignty can only be proclaimed; it cannot be externally inferred, like Lincoln did:

.... by the Declaration of Independence. Therein the "United Colonies" were declared to be "free and independent States;" but even then the object plainly was not to declare their independence of one another or of the Union, but directly the contrary, as their mutual pledge and their mutual action before, at the time, and afterwards abundantly show. The express plighting of faith by each and all of the original thirteen in the Articles of Confederation, two years later, that the Union shall be perpetual is most conclusive.

So Lincoln denied the explicit proclamation of 13 sovereign nations in an international union; by EXTERNALLY INFERRING national union AGAINST such expressed proclamation.

And thus, as the president of an international union among 34 sovereign nations; he usurped de jure national sovereignty over the 34 sovereign nation, by external inference, against express proclamation--- and proceeded to destroy democracy by PRECLUDING informed consent to government, via Total War, propaganda and censorship.

Dissent Suppression and Control of Information in 1861:

President Abraham Lincoln's administration implemented several measures to manage the war effort and counter Confederate sympathizers within the Union states:

• Suspension of Habeas Corpus: In April 1861, Lincoln unilaterally suspended the writ of habeas corpus along the rail lines connecting Washington D.C. to Philadelphia, a vital communication line. This allowed military authorities to arrest and detain individuals (including Confederate sympathizers and those interfering with the war effort) indefinitely without a court appearance or due process. This move was controversial and challenged by Chief Justice Roger Taney as unconstitutional, a ruling Lincoln defied.

• Censorship of the Press and Telegraphs: The federal government restricted freedom of speech and the press. Telegraph communications were censored, and military commanders took steps to prevent newspapers from publishing sensitive military information, such as troop movements or battle plans. Hundreds of opposition newspapers were shut down, and some editors were arrested.

• Arrests for Dissent: Individuals were arrested for actions like discouraging enlistment or expressing Confederate sympathies. A prominent example is the arrest and military conviction of Clement Vallandigham, a Democratic member of Congress from Ohio who gave an anti-war speech.

So Lincoln just falsely declared an international union, to have ALWAYS been national; and then proceeded to suppress all resistance to it as "treason," in order to JUSTIFY his self-coup.

And saps applaud him like seals, without ever once VERIFYING it.

 

[5fish]

So Lincoln just falsely declared an international union, to have ALWAYS been national; and then proceeded to suppress all resistance to it as "treason," in order to JUSTIFY his self-coup.

Yes, for the suppression of an insurgent... Would we have allowed the Germans to publish here in America during WW1 and WW2... The government is in a war of survival, throwing Southern supporters in jail, they were giving aid and comfort to the enemy...

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To Lincoln, the telegraph office was not just a 19th-century command center, but a sanctuary from the throngs who descended upon the White House every day in search of jobs and favors. “I come here to escape my persecutors,” Lincoln quipped to telegraph operator Albert B. Chandler. Telling homespun tales and cracking jokes, the president befriended the office’s telegraph operators. “He would there relax from the strain and care ever present at the White House, and while waiting for fresh dispatches, or while they were being deciphered, would make running comments, or tell his inimitable stories,” Bates wrote. When news of Grant’s capture of Vicksburg, Mississippi, arrived by wire in 1863, Lincoln flouted regulations and bought beer for the operators, drinking a sudsy toast with the general’s telegram in his hand.

Lincoln's Secret Weapon: The Telegraph

During the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln turned the telegraph into an important Union weapon.

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But Lincoln, who visited the telegraph office several times a day, didn't just read messages from his commanders. Instead, as Bates wrote in his memoir, Lincoln would open the drawer containing copies of all the telegrams received since his previous visit, and scan through them all, regardless of whom they were addressed to. That gave Lincoln a chance to find out what information other officials in his government were getting — a useful bit of intelligence that helped him to manage the "team of rivals" in his cabinet.

The suppression of the papers... Look what one battle lost spawned...

After Bull Run, Abraham Lincoln Fought a New Battle in the Civil War: Home-Front Journalism

His administration turned a blind eye to the First Amendment in the interest of national security.

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With the rallying cry “Avenge Ellsworth” on their lips, Federal troops soon occupied the entire Washington suburb. Union Colonel Orlando Willcox then ordered the Alexandria Gazette to publish a proclamation declaring martial law. Rather than comply, editor Edgar Snowden shut down the paper, whereupon Union soldiers seized the office, smashed property and allegedly stole valuables. A pre cedent had been established. Snowden lay low until October, when he launched a new journal called the Alexandria Local News, vowing the venture would focus on “the truth, as far as that can be reached.” Union forces kept their eye on Snowden, and his comeback proved fleeting. When later that year Union troops seized the rector of an Alexandria church merely for omitting the customary prayer for the president, Snowden denounced the arrest as an “outrage.” Soldiers responded by setting fire to the headquarters of the Local News. The beleaguered editor suspended operations yet again, only to reopen the old Gazette in 1862. Two years later he himself would be arrested.

imilarly chilling incidents took place in Northern states that had voted strongly for Lincoln in 1860, and posed no danger of abandoning the Union. Though unsanctioned by the government, these attacks, most of them spontaneous, were seldom restrained by local authorities, and rarely punished in court. Nearly all the aggression reflected shame and fury over the humiliation at Bull Run. In much the same way official Washington attempted to place undeserved blame for that fiasco on the London Times, residents of Northern towns and villages long accustomed to tolerating both Republican and Democratic newspapers now unleashed their pent-up rage on Democratic papers that questioned military recruitment or mocked the soldiers’ performance on the battlefield.

 

[TomEvans]

Yes, for the suppression of an insurgent... Would we have allowed the Germans to publish here in America during WW1 and WW2... The government is in a war of survival, throwing Southern supporters in jail, they were giving aid and comfort to the enemy...

You JUST CONCEDED that Lincoln falsely declared an international union, to have ALWAYS been national.

 

[5fish]

ou JUST CONCEDED that Lincoln falsely declared an international union, to have ALWAYS been national.

No, I was helping you, pointing out the expansion of his powers, which could be considered unconstitutional, but we were at war with an insurgency with 10s of thousands of soldiers in the field trying to end our Founding Fathers' dream...

You argue it's okay for our enemies to post anti-American propaganda within our borders during war. You argue it's OK for citizens to aid and comfort the enemy from within our borders... You say that the government does not have the right to defend the Constitution and its people and the Founding Fathers' dream from enemies, foreign and domestic...

 

[TomEvans]

No, I was helping you, pointing out the expansion of his powers, which could be considered unconstitutional,

Yeah... Construing an international constitution, as a NATIONAL constitution-- USUALLY IS unconstitutional.

but we were at war with an insurgency with 10s of thousands of soldiers in the field trying to end our Founding Fathers' dream...

Yeah, about that dream.. it went sorta like THIS.

We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British crown and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved; and that, as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do.

NOT THIS:

by the Declaration of Independence... the 'United Colonies' were declared to be 'free and independent States;' but even then the object plainly was not to declare their independence of one another or of the Union, but directly the contrary, as their mutual pledge and their mutual action before, at the time, and afterwards abundantly show.

This is quite obviously, an OUTSIDE INFERENCE by Lincoln; which CANNOT be used regarding national sovereignty.

So no matter HOW "abundantly" he may have believed that their mutual pledge and action "SHOWED" that the states didn't really MEAN independent states, as they EXPRESSLY SAID--- but 13 DEPENDENT states, of a single independent STATE---

--THAT'S NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS!

So yes, by law, they REALLY WERE 13 separate sovereign nations with NO political superior, in an INTERNATIONAL union...

....NOT a NATIONAL union, which WAS political superior to 13 dependent states.

You argue it's okay for our enemies to post anti-American propaganda within our borders during war.

No, just just for states of an international union of sovereign nations (like the US, the UN or the EU); to ASSERT their sovereign status, during a self-coup BY the international GOVERNMENT, to claim itself a NATIONAL union by outside inference.