Union statues in the Southwest also honor the war against Native Americans

[diane]

Valid criticisms and if a doctor wrote that race or ethnic group X should be allowed to die should be sued . On the other hand if two low IQ
people with extensive criminal records procreate maybe sterilization is the most economic and humane course of action. The apple does not fall far from the tree.
Leftyhunter

Who makes the decision about who is too stupid and too criminal to have children? Those making such decisions have not shown themselves to be any less stupid or criminal. Certainly never humane.

 

[Leftyhunter]

Who makes the decision about who is too stupid and too criminal to have children? Those making such decisions have not shown themselves to be any less stupid or criminal. Certainly never humane.

Past behavior equals future performance. Most criminals have rap sheets a mile long.
Leftyhunter

 

[5fish]

Valid criticisms and if a doctor wrote that race or ethnic group X should be allowed to die should be sued . On the other hand if two low IQ
people with extensive criminal records procreate maybe sterilization is the most economic and humane course of action. The apple does not fall far from the tree.
Leftyhunter

You want bring back eugenics a false theory and false doctrine and product of Social Darwinism...

Eugenics Following the Civil War...

The Eugenics movement in America stated after our Civil war and after Darwin published his famous work in 1859 and later Mendel works was published in 1865, two years after his death. These were used by Darwin's younger cousin Francis Galton to create Eugenics in 1869... which all let to Social...

www.jggscivilwartalk.online

 

[diane]

Past behavior equals future performance. Most criminals have rap sheets a mile long.
Leftyhunter

They usually reproduce long before they get that rap sheet. The apple doesn't always stick to the tree - take actor Woody Harrelson. Fine actor, great career, honest feller. Not so his old man!

Eugenics is a pseudo-science fit only for the trash bin of history. Dark history at that.

 

[rittmeister]

Past behavior equals future performance. Most criminals have rap sheets a mile long.
Leftyhunter

it really is disgusting how anybody can still promote that nazi shit - obviously they went a step further than just sterilisation but that's kinda the logical consequence, isn't it?

 

[Leftyhunter]

it really is disgusting how anybody can still promote that nazi shit - obviously they went a step further than just sterilisation but that's kinda the logical consequence, isn't it?

It's really disgusting to work hard and pay taxes to people who will produce future criminals while they sit on their ass. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes was was born a bit before the Nazis and died before the Nazis took over Germany. So no sterilization is not a Nazi idea it's just common sense as Holmes stated.
Leftyhunter

 

[Leftyhunter]

They usually reproduce long before they get that rap sheet. The apple doesn't always stick to the tree - take actor Woody Harrelson. Fine actor, great career, honest feller. Not so his old man!

Eugenics is a pseudo-science fit only for the trash bin of history. Dark history at that.

For every Woody Harelson sucess story there are a lot more failure's.
Leftyhunter

 

[rittmeister]

It's really disgusting to work hard and pay taxes to people who will produce future criminals while they sit on their ass. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes was was born a bit before the Nazis and died before the Nazis took over Germany. So no sterilization is not a Nazi idea it's just common sense as Holmes stated.
Leftyhunter

yeah, too bad nazis gave forced sterilisation a bad name - you continued doing that after ww II, so did the swedes (well into the 70s) - i wonder why everybody stopped it?

 

[diane]

It's really disgusting to work hard and pay taxes to people who will produce future criminals while they sit on their ass. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes was was born a bit before the Nazis and died before the Nazis took over Germany. So no sterilization is not a Nazi idea it's just common sense as Holmes stated.
Leftyhunter

Did you notice 5fish's list of the famous who espoused this type of ideology? Some quite well respected folks thought this was hunky dory. Some, like Helen Keller, would have been on the exit list, too. Take Bill Gates, who is said to have Asperger's. Hans Asperger was researching autistic people, sometimes for the Nazis, to see at what level they could be useful to society and at what level they should be disposed of. There is a very short step from eugenics to euthanasia. We can save a few bucks on old folks' homes that way! To put a dollar sign on the value of a person's life is despicable.

 

[5fish]

Past behavior equals future performance. Most criminals have rap sheets a mile long.
Leftyhunter

These are people and they are humans... You can not just dismiss them because they have no value to you... All humans have to right to live even if they have to be lock away from society... Once you start dismiss humans right to live, it easy to get a long list of those who need to go...

 

[5fish]

Did you notice 5fish's list of the famous who espoused this type of ideology? Some quite well respected folks thought this was hunky dory. Some, like Helen Keller, would have been on the exit list, too. Take Bill Gates, who is said to have Asperger's. Hans Asperger was researching autistic people, sometimes for the Nazis, to see at what level they could be useful to society and at what level they should be disposed of. There is a very short step from eugenics to euthanasia. We can save a few bucks on old folks' homes that way! To put a dollar sign on the value of a person's life is despicable.

ELON MUSK has Asperger syndrome too...

 

[Leftyhunter]

ELON MUSK has Asperger syndrome too...

But he doesn't have a criminal record and most likely his parents don't. I have an autistic son but it would be cruel for him to breed.
Leftyhunter

 

[Leftyhunter]

Did you notice 5fish's list of the famous who espoused this type of ideology? Some quite well respected folks thought this was hunky dory. Some, like Helen Keller, would have been on the exit list, too. Take Bill Gates, who is said to have Asperger's. Hans Asperger was researching autistic people, sometimes for the Nazis, to see at what level they could be useful to society and at what level they should be disposed of. There is a very short step from eugenics to euthanasia. We can save a few bucks on old folks' homes that way! To put a dollar sign on the value of a person's life is despicable.

Asperger's is not the same has being a low IQ criminal who breeds on the public dole. It's false equivalence.
Leftyhunter

 

[5fish]

Asperger's is not the same has being a low IQ criminal who breeds on the public dole. It's false equivalence.
Leftyhunter

No... IQ test do not work...

The IQ test wars: why screening for intelligence is still so controversial

The legitimacy of the IQ test is still hotly debated.

theconversation.com

But in their darkest moments, IQ tests became a powerful way to exclude and control marginalised communities using empirical and scientific language. Supporters of eugenic ideologies in the 1900s used IQ tests to identify “idiots”, “imbeciles”, and the “feebleminded”. These were people, eugenicists argued, who threatened to dilute the White Anglo-Saxon genetic stock of America.

A plaque in Virginia in memory to Carrie Buck, the first person to be sterilised under eugenics laws in the state. Jukie Bot/flickr.com, CC BY-NC
As a result of such eugenic arguments, many American citizens were later sterilised. In 1927, an infamous ruling by the US Supreme Court legalised forced sterilisation of citizens with developmental disabilities and the “feebleminded,” who were frequently identified by their low IQ scores. The ruling, known as Buck v Bell, resulted in over 65,000 coerced sterilisations of individuals thought to have low IQs. Those in the US who were forcibly sterilised in the aftermath of Buck v Bell were disproportionately poor or of colour.

Compulsory sterilisation in the US on the basis of IQ, criminality, or sexual deviance continued formally until the mid 1970s when organisations like the Southern Poverty Law Center began filing lawsuits on behalf of people who had been sterilised. In 2015, the US Senate voted to compensate living victims of government-sponsored sterilisation programmes.

 

[5fish]

low IQ criminal who breeds on the public dole

Here is another look IQ racism.... maybe you will realize Social Darwinism is not the way...

How IQ-scores encourage racism | Donders Wonders

Intelligence is one of the most studied aspects of human cognition. However, it seems that IQ – the intelligence quotient – does not accurately represent intelligence. In fact, the way IQ is determined encourages racism, and the scientific community is not free from these biases.

blog.donders.ru.nl

snip...

The consequence of common IQ tests being biased against people from some cultures is that certain populations are unfairly typecast as unintelligent. The IQ-scores are not interpreted within the context of culture and socio-economic climate, so that differences can induce the racist idea that certain (often non-Western) populations are naturally less intelligent than other (e.g., Western) populations. But those differences in IQ-scores can be explained by the Western nature of the test. An IQ-test is therefore unsuitable to measure pure intelligence independent of a country’s culture and history. Group differences in IQ within countries are often caused by environmental factors such as unequal opportunities and differences in socioeconomic status and education, and do not provide any information on underlying biology

 

[diane]

Asperger's is not the same has being a low IQ criminal who breeds on the public dole. It's false equivalence.
Leftyhunter

Oh. It's ok for a high IQ criminal to breed as long as he does it on his own stolen money. That makes sense!

Honestly, you simply can't make a case for your position, Lefty.

 

[rittmeister]

Asperger's is not the same has being a low IQ criminal who breeds on the public dole. It's false equivalence.
Leftyhunter

it doesn't matter - one creep's criminal is another creep's indian is a third creep's lefthanded is a fourth creep's muslim ...

 

[Leftyhunter]

Oh. It's ok for a high IQ criminal to breed as long as he does it on his own stolen money. That makes sense!

Honestly, you simply can't make a case for your position, Lefty.

I am making the same argument as Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes. It doesn't make sense to breed two stupid dogs so why should people be any different?
Leftyhunter

 

[rittmeister]

I am making the same argument as Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes. It doesn't make sense to breed two stupid dogs so why should people be any different?
Leftyhunter

meaning: you basicly live in the 19th century?

 

[diane]

I am making the same argument as Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes. It doesn't make sense to breed two stupid dogs so why should people be any different?
Leftyhunter

Because people aren't dogs, Lefty!