To erect a suitable Monument to their memory

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No correlation between lynching and monuments-
Unless a heap CSA monuments were torn down, then this graph is a deliberate attempt to deceive. Once built the monuments stay up.
 

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Unless a heap CSA monuments were torn down, then this graph is a deliberate attempt to deceive. Once built the monuments stay up.
The blue line on the graph represents the number built during that year.
It's not a running total.
 

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The blue line on the graph represents the number built during that year.
It's not a running total.
that was EXACTLY what he said. The two lines are nonesense together, the monuments stay, the lynched disappear.
 

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The SPLC and other radical groups have claimed that racial violence increases when monument construction increases.

The graph shows it to be a false claim.
nonsense the graph shows only a part of racial violence, it's either biased, lying or stupid
 

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So only the majority should get what they want, right?
Doesn't that work against multiculturalism and inclusiveness?
All a sham. The cries for multiculturalsim & inclusiveness have a caveat attached. You have to vote for, or be a Democrat.

Look how Black Conservatives are treated by the media, & Democrats. Look how Conservative or Republican women are treated by the media, Democrats, & feminists. Look how Conservative Jews are treated (think Ben Shapiro). Conservative Gays (think Milo), etc... The list goes on....

Inclusiveness is a word thrown around by liberals, & democrats all the time. It rings hollow with the way they attack anyone who disagrees with them.
 

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All of them survived the war, thankfully.
I have relatives that served in the civil war for the Confederacy and one died from his wounds and the other two went to a Union prison camp.

Why should I be honoring my traitorous relatives? Who fought for slavery and for the ending of our great republic. I see a disconnect here...

Why am I or you or any American want to honor traitors to our Republic? Should we put monuments up to the Americans who spied for the Russians and gave them our nuclear secrets? They all thought they were doing some greater good...

Why should yours and my traitorous relatives get monuments?
 

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I have relatives that served in the civil war for the Confederacy and one died from his wounds and the other two went to a Union prison camp.

Why should I be honoring my traitorous relatives? Who fought for slavery and for the ending of our great republic. I see a disconnect here...

Why am I or you or any American want to honor traitors to our Republic? Should we put monuments up to the Americans who spied for the Russians and gave them our nuclear secrets? They all thought they were doing some greater good...

Why should yours and my traitorous relatives get monuments?
They were not traitors, and did not fight for slavery. In addition, as I've noted elsewhere, there are higher loyalties than country. Home and family come first, and if it came down to defending my home and family from an invading US army, I would hope I'd have made the same choice my ancestors did.
 

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The SPLC and other radical groups have claimed that racial violence increases when monument construction increases.

The graph shows it to be a false claim.
The graph is deceptive. End of story.
 

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They were not traitors, and did not fight for slavery. In addition, as I've noted elsewhere, there are higher loyalties than country. Home and family come first, and if it came down to defending my home and family from an invading US army, I would hope I'd have made the same choice my ancestors did.
They fought against the United States, therefore they are traitors. So-called higher loyalties and just rhetoric. So you would be an outlaw, just as they were.
 

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Getting back on topic....

Address and Poem
DELIVERED AT THE UNVEILING OF THE MONUMENT ERECTED
TO THE MEMORY OF THE CONFEDERATE DEAD OF
WARREN COUNTY, N. C.,
AUGUST 27, 1903

Raleigh, NC
Edwards and Broughton Printing Co. 1906

Address of Hon. Walter A. Montgomery, in which he remembers the fallen as family to those still living, whose final resting places are largely unknown. The monument is their tombstone.

If in our power, we would gather the sacred ashes of each of these cherished ones from his shallow grave, and deposit them with loving hands around this stone. The native visitor would then, at this spot, as he looked upon this marble, typical of the form and characteristics of the dead whose virtues it is erected to commemorate, experience an increased sensation of reverence, for he would be standing among the sepulchres of soldiers who were patriots, and who gave their lives for their country, for their love of the same, and who were “ bone of our bone and flesh of our flesh.”​
The Association, whose spokesman I am, was organized to build, on some suitable ground, an appropriate monument in memory of the Confederate dead of Warren. This spot already the last resting place of departed friends, and overlooking the historic old town, was most aptly selected for its site. The foundation was laid two years ago.​
It has been completed, and this day is unveiled amidst a cloud of witnesses. Behold it in its symmetry and beauty, emblematic both of the virtues and the deeds it is intended to commemorate, and of the gratitude of those who have erected it.​
Let us hope that it will for ages withstand the ravages of time, a reminder to coming generations of honored worth and noble ancestry.​

The monument is not meant to stir up sectional animosity, he tells the listener, but to evoke the love and admiration the living have for the fallen soldiers, and to inspire like devotion to home and duty from those who see the memorial. He praises the women who raised the memorial, and speaks of the military history of the county and state, and some history of the war itself. Though he defended secession, he refers to it here as a dead issue.
 

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They fought against the United States, therefore they are traitors. So-called higher loyalties and just rhetoric. So you would be an outlaw, just as they were.
George Washington was a traitor to his king and lawful government. I'd be in good company.

"So-called" higher loyalties? You'd choose the United States over your wife, children or your home? Interesting.
 
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George Washington was a traitor to his king and lawful government. I'd be in good company.
As were thousands of others, to include plenty of my relatives, & I would assume, some of yours as well. George Washington is probably the most important American there ever was. We have many monuments, statues, cities, streets, buildings, schools, etc.. named after the man. Rightfully so, imo. Though, if anyone wants to break it down, he was a traitor, & slave owner. The most famous of them all. I feel privileged to have walked upon some of the same dirt he did. I'm honored that several of my ancestors fought under his command.

"So-called" higher loyalties? You'd choose the United States over your wife, children or your home? Interesting.
Pretty much tells you everything you need to know, does it not..? I wouldn't even have to ask you that question. I would assume, you wouldn't ask me the same. Not even a question, as far as I'm concerned.
 

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OTOH a racist white supremacist violent society suggests a correlation between monuments and lynching.
How? Connect the dots here. I could just easily suggest, with as much evidence as you've provided, that a "racist white supremacist violent society" suggests a correlation between toothbrushes and lynching. Spell it out for us. And did grave markers on Confederate graves push the same message as the monuments? Why or why not?
 

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How? Connect the dots here. I could just easily suggest, with as much evidence as you've provided, that a "racist white supremacist violent society" suggests a correlation between toothbrushes and lynching. Spell it out for us. And did grave markers on Confederate graves push the same message as the monuments? Why or why not?
it's statistics - it's not monuments comissioned (per year), it's monuments per squaremile (<- that number is growing year by year)
 

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My ancestors who fought in that war owned no slaves and raped no one.

But this is what the whole anti-monument thing is about - pitting race against race. Stirring the pot.
Gotta keep blacks in the Demo camp - especially in an election year.

Some people can't rest unless they've put in some 'good ole' race-baitin' for the day.

'Good ole' race-baitin'!

Biden with a southern drawl: "They're gonna put y'all back in chains!"

Despicable.
That is one bizzare post . Southern whites invented race baiting by having slavery and fighting to preserve and expand it. The during Reconstruction they used massive violence to " put black people in their place." You might want to actually study Southern history.
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