The War of Indian Independence...

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It is thought that the War of !812 could have been the War of Indian Independence...


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This isn’t to say Native Americans didn’t win any battles at all after the War of 1812 this was just a major turning point in favor of the United States. The biggest tipping point was Tecumseh, a Shawnee leader who brought Native nations together to fight against encroachment. He brought the nations together around his brother’s teachings. Tenskwatawa—also known as the Prophet—believed the nations had angered the Master of Life and they needed to go back to the traditional Shawnee way of life.

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In a letter to U.S. General William Henry Harrison in 1810, Tecumseh says: “the only way to stop this evil [white settlement of the Indians’ land], is for all the red men to unite in claiming a common and equal right in the land as it was at first, and should be now - for it never was divided, but belongs to all… Sell a country! Why not sell the air, the clouds and the great sea, as well as the earth? Did not the Great Spirit [Master of Life] make them all for the use of his children?

snip... the indians saved Canada for the Brits not for themselves...

“In early August [1812], Shawnee warriors from the Ohio Valley under the great war chief, Tecumseh, fought and won a number of battles with American troops around Fort Detroit,” says The Globe and Mail. “Ontario, and probably a good part of the rest of present day Canada, would now be part of the United States were it not for the native warriors who overwhelmingly came to the defence of the British Crown in the first year of the War of 1812-1814.

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But Tecumseh’s defeat at the Battle of Thames in Canada in 1813 was the beginning of the end for Native nations. Tecumseh was mortally wounded and with his death his confederacy fell apart, as did his vision of driving back the white settlers

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The Shawnee leader Tecumseh and his charismatic younger brother Tenskwatawa, a religious revivalist known as The Prophet, spearheaded a movement for Native American political and military unity to resist settler encroachment. When war began, Tecumseh persuaded activist warriors from tribes like the Fox, Chickamauga, Iroquois, Kickapoo, Mascouten, Mohawk, Ojibway, Piankeshaw, Potawatomi, Sauk and Shawnee to form an alliance to aid the British. This confederation supplied vital support to British forces on the western frontier and in Canada, notably in forcing surrenders of U.S. outposts on Mackinac Island and Detroit and aiding British victories at Queenston Heights and Beaver Dams in Ontario. After Tecumseh was killed in October 1813 at the Battle of the Thames in Upper Canada, the alliance began to fall apart, considerably diminishing the power of Native Americans east of the Mississippi to retain their homelands.
 

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Here is this museum on Indians and the war of 1812...

 

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Independence from what?
Well first it's marketing to get eye balls to read the thread but in truth American Indians were feeling the yoke of settlers, British and American governments... They wanted relief but all they ever got was moments of respite... They were playing power politics hoping the side they backed would give them what they desire... Independence...
 

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Independence from what?
The American nation won its war for independence in 1783. American Indian wars for independence continued long after. In their ongoing struggles for their rights, and their tribal sovereignty within the constitutional democracy that grew out of the American Revolution, some would say, Native Americans are still fighting to realize the promise of that revolution.
 

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You are conflating 'independence' with 'conquest'. It was not the American Indian wars for independence, but the Native wars against invasion and conquest. Didn't matter if it was Americans, Spaniards, Mexicans or British!
department of homeland defense?
 

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I claim foul we were not terrorist but invaders with conquest as our goal...
 

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Last I checked, terrorists killed but did not take stuff, while invaders killed and took stuff. There is some overlap.
 

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I can remember some CWT heated discussion on if the Union invaded the Confederacy.
 

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Is invading and forcing your will on another group of people really a bad thing...

If we use a free market concept than American Indians could not compete in the market... Social Darwinism...

I argue the Aztec culture had vile elements too it and ending those vile elements would have been good thing...
 

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Is invading and forcing your will on another group of people really a bad thing...

If we use a free market concept than American Indians could not compete in the market... Social Darwinism...

I argue the Aztec culture had vile elements too it and ending those vile elements would have been good thing...
so did the french (they eat frogs after all) - so our habit of invading them is okay for you i guess
 
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