The trial of the century...That never happened

[diane]

nope the ACW did not teach any European anything
It was a ridiciulous slaughter by some ill taught (& ill advised) colonists

It was watched as an example of senseless warfare and (by some) outdated gallantry

That outdated gallantry was something I think very important about the causes of the CW. There was a very strong honor code and a certain violence that went along with it - very much out of a time so many centuries past it could be romanticized. In many ways they were going backwards instead of forward.

 

[General Lee]

If a person abandons their US citizenship, it's done by the person. If that person then claims citizenship in another country that's never been recognized by the US or any significant country in the world, that's on the person.

Poor sap, he loses all the constitutional rights he had in his former country, then in a few years his new country doesn't exist so he's left without the constitutional rights of any country.

Are you kidding when you said J. Davis was denied his constitutional rights? He had none from his former country or his thoroughly-defeated dalliance of a new country. Poor sap. Poor treasonous, pro-slave, live-off-the-sweat-of-other men's-labor sap. Stupidly selfish cause and stupidly selfish leader.

Do you actually not know what the Confederacy was founded on, by their own documents?

How justified it is that J. Davis lived out the rest of his life in pathetic status, a small price to pay compared to that needless death of thousands called the Civil War.

So your saying anyone can just walk of citizenship, how can that be when you don't see the CSA as a nation yet you keep saying his nation. It looks like your going back on what you said before. I thought rebellions consisted of people of the same nation or a civil war for that matter it's like now you abondoned that to say he had no citizenship because he's from "his former country" which you and others have repeatedly claim wasn't legitmate, so which is it ?

 

[Wehrkraftzersetzer]

So your saying anyone can just walk of citizenship, how can that be when you don't see the CSA as a nation yet you keep saying his nation. It looks like your going back on what you said before. I thought rebellions consisted of people of the same nation or a civil war for that matter it's like now you abondoned that to say he had no citizenship because he's from "his former country" which you and others have repeatedly claim wasn't legitmate, so which is it ?

nonsense, JD put down his citizenship in the failed attempt to create a new one

The ideas of the time were not that he will get it back. The now citizenship at all was common (=international) practice

He didn't die but I think Your president would have called him (both) a sucker and a loser

 

[byron ed]

nonsense Europe has a lot longer tradition of forced labour than the US, nothing to learn there and sadly much more effective

and yet, just as with US chattel slavery four score earlier, Germany set up a government-sponsored system of forced slave labor using ethnic minorities.

Check my understanding of your claim: That Nazi Germany only ever recognized European precedents of systematic slavery, never recognizing the precedent of chattel slavery in the US -- one of the most highly organised and regulated slave systems the world had ever seen.

If I've got that right, all I can say is what an odd supposition that is -- almost as if proud that Germans had developed systematic slavery in Europe "without anybody's help", apparently blissfully unaware -- not to say ignorant of -- what had taken place in the Americas.

WTH...!

 

[Wehrkraftzersetzer]

and yet, just as with US chattel slavery four score earlier, Germany set up a government-sponsored system of forced slave labor using ethnic minorities.

Check my understanding of your claim: That Nazi Germany only ever recognized European precedents of systematic slavery, never recognizing the precedent of chattel slavery in the US -- one of the most highly organised and regulated slave systems the world had ever seen.

If I've got that right, all I can say is what an odd supposition that is -- almost as if proud that Germans had developed systematic slavery in Europe "without anybody's help", apparently blissfully unaware -- not to say ignorant of -- what had taken place in the Americas.

WTH...!

NONSENSE

American Slavery was inefficient
(nearly) everybody agrees that the North got ridd of forced labour since it was
a) too dangerous (slaves producing knives)
b) inefficient 4 an industrial society (more guards than slaves since slaves could only do a few primitive things)

German forced labour put together FIGHTER PLANES, TANKS, nearly anything

The Romula Americans did not invent everything in the Quadr on Earth

Slavery is the second oldest enterprise of mankind

 

[byron ed]

...how can that be when you don't see the CSA as a nation yet you keep saying his nation. It looks like your going back on what you said before... because he's from "his former country" which you and others have repeatedly claim wasn't legitmate, so which is it ?

?? It was Davis that considered the Confederacy to be his new nation. I and others never considered it so. The Confederacy was never recognized as a country by anyone but itself, which is why we can repeatedly claim that it wasn't legitimate; not a country.

Totally consistent, not an either/or.

But here's a legitimate either/or: You claim the Confederacy as "your" heritage country yet at the same time you claim the U.S. as your heritage country (we know this because you have not renounced your U.S. citizenship). Which is it?

The actual Confederacy would consider you a traitor for remaining a citizen of an enemy nation, but don't let that get in the way of your choice.

For me it's enough to play Confederate at times (I'm a reenactor) but good God I know the difference between that and being a Confederate, knowing that it's not even possible to be a Confederate. All Confederates died, there aren't any left as of 1950 or so.

 

[Wehrkraftzersetzer]

being a Confederate and an US citizien might have had a famous end which would make You a celebrity today

Regardless which of Your two countries did hung You 4 treason
The other side had Your corpse dug up and shot 4 the very same reason (treason)

 

[byron ed]

NONSENSE...
American Slavery was inefficient
(nearly) everybody agrees that the North got ridd of forced labour...too dangerous inefficient 4 an industrial society (more guards than slaves...German forced labour put together FIGHTER PLANES, TANKS, nearly anything...Americans did not invent everything on Earth...Slavery is the second oldest enterprise of mankind

I agree, it's nonsense that Germany would deign to set up a government-sponsored system of forced slave labor using ethnic minorities -- knowing what worked and what didn't work.

 

[Wehrkraftzersetzer]

I agree, it's nonsense that Germany would deign to set up a government-sponsored system of forced slave labor using ethnic minorities -- knowing what worked and what didn't work.

????

the main goal of the KZ system was not slavery it was extinction by slavery
(no real slaver would even think of that)

 

[byron ed]

being a Confederate and an US citizien might have had a famous end which would make You a celebrity today

Regardless which of Your two countries did hung You 4 treason
The other side had Your corpse dug up and shot 4 the very same reason (treason)

Which "you" are you talking about? I've not claimed to be both a Confederate and a US citizen. I've not claimed more than one country. No country had hanged "me" for treason. I'm not a corpse even by meme.

You might want to adjust the sites on your fine slave-labor made Mauser there, bucko

 

[Wehrkraftzersetzer]

You = one (theoretical) person

maybe a Germanism