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Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederate states was locked up for 2 years and denied his constitutional right to a fair and speedy trial. It wasn't until amnesty was given for all who participated on the side of independence. Davis never applied for a pardon which I admire because to him that would be admitting he had committed a crime. If anyone else has details on the trial please come forward.
 

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start an illegal rebellion and than he lost the resulting war
that makes him directly responsible 4 every person killed

really enough reasons to shoot him
How did he start it ? for one he was originally opposed like many to secession. Also South Carolina left first what did Davis do to cause that ? You know the same argument could be applied to our founding fathers say we lost and what then ? we rebelled and we won but say we lost and it was considered by Britain treason so based on your logic they could shoot Washington or anyone else.
 

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who was the CinC of those troops who seized federal arsenals and bombarded Fort Sumter?

Well that counts as starting it.

1. rule of any rebellion? Win or get hung / shot.
 

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who was the CinC of those troops who seized federal arsenals and bombarded Fort Sumter?

Well that counts as starting it.

1. rule of any rebellion? Win or get hung / shot.
So let me ask so I understand what is your definition of a rebellion ?
 

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Well rebelling against the momentary law. Change by arms not by existing protocols.

You better win if You chose to rebel.
So I argue that when a nation is formed then it's 2 nations at war like our war of independence we became and declared it so that we the United states are a nation and fought Britain for that independence, same with the CSA it was it's own nation that fought for it's independence. A rebellion would be fighting with a rabble of citizens of the same country taking up arms against their government.
 

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So I argue that when a nation is formed then it's 2 nations at war like our war of independence we became and declared it so that we the United states are a nation and fought Britain for that independence, same with the CSA it was it's own nation that fought for it's independence. A rebellion would be fighting with a rabble of citizens of the same country taking up arms against their government.
great difference

ACW I (war of independence)
You won (cause them Brits had to fight a real war in Europe - only 4 that reason)

ACW II (war of Southern aggression)
You lost - exactly my point

The Brits would have hanged Your founding fathers (with the utmost gusto)
 

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great difference

ACW I (war of independence)
You won (cause them Brits had to fight a real war in Europe - only 4 that reason)

ACW II (war of Southern aggression)
You lost - exactly my point

The Brits would have hanged Your founding fathers (with the utmost gusto)
Just a minor derailment: You say "your" you talk like you aint from here, that just got me curious.
 

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So I argue that when a nation is formed then it's 2 nations at war like our war of independence we became and declared it so that we the United states are a nation and fought Britain for that independence, same with the CSA it was it's own nation that fought for it's independence. A rebellion would be fighting with a rabble of citizens of the same country taking up arms against their government.
france was the first (of many nations) to recognize the usa (1778) - confederacy; zilch

... how many rebellions should i show you were the rebels wear uniforms? cuba (for starters)
 

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A rebellion would be fighting with a rabble of citizens of the same country taking up arms against their government
a rabble of states? anybody?

Taking arms against the lawful government knows no difference neither between educated and uneducated nor rich and poor
 

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france was the first (of many nations) to recognize the usa (1778) - confederacy; zilch

... how many rebellions should i show you were the rebels wear uniforms? cuba (for starters)
Uniforms yes but not all formed a government and their own nation.
 

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Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederate states was locked up for 2 years and denied his constitutional right to a fair and speedy trial. It wasn't until amnesty was given for all who participated on the side of independence. Davis never applied for a pardon which I admire because to him that would be admitting he had committed a crime. If anyone else has details on the trial please come forward.
How so? Davis was a prisoner of war and the construction he willfully rejected did not apply.

Why do you admire a man that led the South into utter defeat by his incompetence that resulted in the destruction of the Southern nation? How in the world can anyone admire that.

Davis had a martyr complex and the Union refused to let him.
 

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How so? Davis was a prisoner of war and the construction he willfully rejected did not apply.

Why do you admire a man that led the South into utter defeat by his incompetence that resulted in the destruction of the Southern nation? How in the world can anyone admire that.

Davis had a martyr complex and the Union refused to let him.
I admire him because of his strength and determination to the cause even after the war. He didn't lead the south to defeat the manpower couldn't be replenished compared to Union numbers.
 

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I admire him because of his strength and determination to the cause even after the war. He didn't lead the south to defeat the manpower couldn't be replenished compared to Union numbers.
so why start the war in the first place?
 

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I admire him because of his strength and determination to the cause even after the war. He didn't lead the south to defeat the manpower couldn't be replenished compared to Union numbers.
In your opinion, that makes all the bad stuff Davis did OK.

At the start of the war, Davis had more military experience than any of the other leaders, in addition, he had 40 years or more in government. Knowing the military strength of the Union as an insider, as you noted, he destroyed the South with his incompetent leadership. He sacrificed the South and the flower of its men to a greater power next door for what?
 
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