The Permafrost is Melting not a Carbon Sink Anymore...

[5fish]

The microbes and bugs are coming run...

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[5fish]

There is a buried atoll island in Texas... called Horseshoe Atoll. Texas was underwater at one time...

The Horseshoe Atoll of the Midland Basin - CDN

 

[5fish]

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[TomEvans]

The Permafrost is giving off more green house gases than it is taking in so it now the net producer of green house emissions...

Arctic permafrost is now a net source of major greenhouse gases

An Arctic-wide survey has found that the permafrost region is emitting more carbon into the atmosphere than it absorbs, causing the planet to heat even further

www.newscientist.com

But the South Pole is freezing; thus indicating a localized geothermal cause, vs. atmospheric solar-warming.

 

[5fish]

South Pole is freezing; thus indicating a localized geothermal cause,

There is a heat spot under the ice but Global warming is also melting the ice sheet...

Discovery of high geothermal heat at South Pole - British Antarctic Survey

Scientists have discovered an area near the South Pole where the base of the Antarctic Ice Sheet is melting unexpectedly quickly. Using radar to look through three km of ice, …

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[TomEvans]

There is a heat spot under the ice but Global warming is also melting the ice sheet...

Discovery of high geothermal heat at South Pole - British Antarctic Survey

Scientists have discovered an area near the South Pole where the base of the Antarctic Ice Sheet is melting unexpectedly quickly. Using radar to look through three km of ice, …

www.bas.ac.uk

That would require BOTH poles to melt, since greenhouse gases are equally distributed by atmospheric turbulence; but Antarctic ice is INCREASING-- and HAS been, for as long as it's been recorded using satellites in 1979.

So Arctic ice is melting SOLELY due to GEOTHERMAL warming of Arctic waters and local atmosphere. while the Earth's overall atmosphere COOLS.

This is why "Climate Change" hypotheses have NEVER met their scientific burden of proof, but relied entirely on bullying defamation, intimidation, panic-mongering, corrupt legislation and other dirty tricks to support their narrative.

 

[5fish]

This is why "Climate Change" hypotheses have NEVER met their scientific burden of proof, but relied entirely on bullying defamation, intimidation, panic-mongering, corrupt legislation and other dirty tricks to support their narrative.

This chart shows that as CO2 increases, the temperature increases...

This Man tracked it continuously every day for years...

The man who tracked CO2 for years in Hawaii is Charles David Keeling, who started continuous CO2 measurements at the Mauna Loa Observatory in 1958, revealing the steady increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide and creating the iconic "Keeling Curve," a cornerstone of climate science, a legacy continued by his son, Ralph Keeling

Exxon knew about Climate change in the 1970s...

Yes, evidence shows Exxon's scientists accurately predicted global warming from fossil fuels starting in the 1970s, even developing highly accurate models, but the company publicly sowed doubt and downplayed the crisis for decades, a fact revealed by investigations in 2015 and confirmed by a 2023 Harvard study. Their internal research, including projections showing a 0.20°C warming per decade, was more precise than some public forecasts, yet the company continued to promote misinformation and deny the science, acting hypocritically, notes Harvard Gazette news.

 

[TomEvans]

This chart shows that as CO2 increases, the temperature increases...

But NOT in that order.

If you leave a cup of soda-pop out over night, it goes flat, while the one in the fridge says carbonated... do the math.

In fact the every WORD "soda-pop" is an onomatopoeia, from the "pop" sound produced when removing the cork from a bottle of soda-water soft drink, due to the pressure from released CO2 when stored in warmer temperatures (such as ice-boxes vs. actual ice).

 

[5fish]

But NOT in that order.

If you leave a cup of soda-pop out over night, it goes flat, while the one in the fridge says carbonated... do the math.

In fact the every WORD "soda-pop" is an onomatopoeia, from the "pop" sound produced when removing the cork from a bottle of soda-water soft drink, due to the pressure from released CO2 when stored in warmer temperatures (such as ice-boxes vs. actual ice).

You are ignoring the facts on the ground, the people who study the weather and climate, and the data they have collected... You could argue that past science fear-mongering has come and passed, but this time we are watching it in real time... I admit some of the alarmist fears they have raised are going to occur later than they first predicted, but they will. The climate is not a soda bottle...

An overwhelming majority of climate scientists — 97% to over 99.9% — agree that the Earth's climate is warming and that human activities are the primary cause, a consensus confirmed by numerous studies of peer-reviewed literature and expert surveys. Major scientific organizations worldwide, including NASA, the UN's IPCC, and national science academies, endorse this position, though public perception often underestimates the depth of this agreement, notes.

 

[TomEvans]

You are ignoring the facts on the ground, the people who study the weather and climate, and the data they have collected...

I ignore nothing; I simply observe the fact that it's still just an unproved hypothesis.

Just because I point out a FLAW in their hypothesis, does not validate it to a theory which I am hypothesizing AGAINST.

You could argue that past science fear-mongering has come and passed, but this time we are watching it in real time...

And it is STILL just an unproved hypothesis.

I admit some of the alarmist fears they have raised are going to occur later than they first predicted, but they will. The climate is not a soda bottle...

Yes, it IS, because the higher CO2 levels RESULT from higher temperatures, not vice-versa as you claimed; so that points directly to increased outgassing.

An overwhelming majority of climate scientists — 97% to over 99.9% — agree that the Earth's climate is warming and that human activities are the primary cause, a consensus confirmed by numerous studies of peer-reviewed literature and expert surveys. Major scientific organizations worldwide, including NASA, the UN's IPCC, and national science academies, endorse this position, though public perception often underestimates the depth of this agreement, notes.

I don't care if 100% agree; the simple fact that Antarctic ice is INCREASING, is PROOF that it's getting COLDER; since increased CO2 cannot be localized, like geothermal activity can (especially undersea, since water and currents transmit heat much faster to local areas, resulting in melting of polar ice). A simple look at the fault-lines proves that the vents run right under the North Pole.

Likewise, the key underlying issue is DANGER, which statistics likewise prove is REDUCED by increased temperatures.

 

[5fish]

I ignore nothing; I simply observe the fact that it's still just an unproved hypothesis.

I have a feeling your observation is missing something... The chart makes the statement...

 

[TomEvans]

I have a feeling your observation is missing something... The chart makes the statement...

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Statistical analysis proves that the CO2 increases AFTER the temperature, not before it.

Again, it's just outgassing from the warm soda going flat, as the Earth warms independently by Milankovitch-cycles-- and again, this is currently making the world SAFER not deadlier.

 

[5fish]

Statistical analysis proves that the CO2 increases AFTER the temperature, not before it.

No... show me a link... or video...

 

[TomEvans]

No... show me a link... or video...

Google is your friend, I am not.

 

[5fish]

Google is your friend, I am not.

I always make the effort for you...

 

[TomEvans]

I always make the effort for you...

The burden of PROOF is on you. As I said, my counter-argument is NOT a validation of your hypothesis.... I used to write punchlines for John Cook FFS.

 

[5fish]

The burden of PROOF is on you. As I said, my counter-argument is NOT a validation of your hypothesis.... I used to write punchlines for John Cook FFS.

No posted the CO2 rises and temp. follows: you posted the opposite, so the burden of proof is on you...

 

[TomEvans]

No posted the CO2 rises and temp. follows: you posted the opposite, so the burden of proof is on you...

You never proved that it FOLLOWS, just that it CORRELATES.

 

[5fish]

The burden of PROOF is on you.

AI does the work...

It's a feedback loop: historically, rising temperatures (from orbital shifts) caused oceans to release CO2, which amplified warming; today, rising CO2 from human activities (fossil fuels, deforestation) traps heat, causing temperatures to rise, which further releases CO2 from oceans and soils, creating a powerful, self-reinforcing cycle. So, both happen, but the cause of today's rapid warming is the human-driven CO2 increase, not the other way around, even though past temperature changes led CO2.
How it Works (Past vs. Present)

1. Past Ice Ages (Natural Cycles):
   • Slight warming from Earth's orbit changes (Milankovitch cycles) made oceans warmer.
   • Warmer oceans hold less dissolved gas, so they released CO2 into the atmosphere.
   • This increased CO2 then trapped more heat, causing further warming (a positive feedback loop).
   • In these natural cycles, temperature changes led CO2 changes by hundreds of years.
2. Today's Climate Change (Human-Driven):
   • Burning fossil fuels, deforestation, and industry release massive amounts of CO2, overwhelming natural cycles.
   • This excess CO2 acts like a blanket, trapping heat and raising global temperatures.
   • This current CO2 rise is the primary driver of warming, not the other way around, as confirmed by the unprecedented speed and magnitude of the increase.

The Feedback Loop Today:

• CO2 drives Temperature: Human emissions increase atmospheric CO2, trapping heat and raising temperatures.
• Temperature drives CO2 (Feedback): Warming oceans and thawing soils release more CO2 and methane, further accelerating the warming trend.

In Summary:
While past natural warming led to CO2 release, the current crisis is defined by human-caused CO2 emissions forcing temperatures up, which then triggers natural systems to release even more CO2, intensifying the warming.

 

[TomEvans]

AI does the work...

It's a feedback loop: historically, rising temperatures (from orbital shifts) caused oceans to release CO2, which amplified warming; today, rising CO2 from human activities (fossil fuels, deforestation) traps heat, causing temperatures to rise, which further releases CO2 from oceans and soils, creating a powerful, self-reinforcing cycle. So, both happen, but the cause of today's rapid warming is the human-driven CO2 increase, not the other way around, even though past temperature changes led CO2.
How it Works (Past vs. Present)

1. Past Ice Ages (Natural Cycles):
   • Slight warming from Earth's orbit changes (Milankovitch cycles) made oceans warmer.
   • Warmer oceans hold less dissolved gas, so they released CO2 into the atmosphere.
   • This increased CO2 then trapped more heat, causing further warming (a positive feedback loop).
   • In these natural cycles, temperature changes led CO2 changes by hundreds of years.
2. Today's Climate Change (Human-Driven):
   • Burning fossil fuels, deforestation, and industry release massive amounts of CO2, overwhelming natural cycles.
   • This excess CO2 acts like a blanket, trapping heat and raising global temperatures.
   • This current CO2 rise is the primary driver of warming, not the other way around, as confirmed by the unprecedented speed and magnitude of the increase.

The Feedback Loop Today:

• CO2 drives Temperature: Human emissions increase atmospheric CO2, trapping heat and raising temperatures.
• Temperature drives CO2 (Feedback): Warming oceans and thawing soils release more CO2 and methane, further accelerating the warming trend.

In Summary:
While past natural warming led to CO2 release, the current crisis is defined by human-caused CO2 emissions forcing temperatures up, which then triggers natural systems to release even more CO2, intensifying the warming.

That's just parroting fearmongers. No actual proof shown.