The National Defense Authorization Bill: Renaming army bases.

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There are almost no private businesses or entrepreneurs on Indian reservations because there are no property rights. Reservation land is held in trust by the federal government and most is also owned communally by the tribe. ... The Bureau of Indian Affairs regulates just about every aspect of commerce on reservations
 

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Here another solution...


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While our causal estimation is focused on the comparison of two types of land tenures for individually held Native American land, we also investigate land use efficiency of communally owned tribal lands, which still constitute the majority of all Native American lands today. We find that tribal lands sit between the two individual land tenures in terms of land use efficiency: Tribal lands are less efficiently used than individual fee simple land, but more efficiently used than allotted-trust land.

snip... I think they want to bring back the Dawes act...

Full fee-simple property rights clearly lead to the most efficient use of land. Converting all allotted-trust lands into fee simple would in a sense ‘see through’ the policy of Indian Allotment that was suddenly stopped in 1934. However, an important countervailing consideration is that reservation land is more than just an asset of individual Native Americans; it is also the land base of Native American tribes and communities (Treuer 2012, 2019). This creates trade-offs in the choice between converting allotted-trust lands to more complete private fee-simple rights or ‘reverting it back’ to more tribal control.

Clearly, either option would be preferable to allotted-trust. Also clearly, the choice between these alternatives belongs to the individual tribes and not the federal government.

There is a historical precedent that suggests the choice need not be binary: During Mexico’s second land reform (Procede) from 1993–2006, indigenous farmers were given full title to the land that they had possessed usufruct rights to since the 1930s. Communities (ejido) then separately decided collectively whether these rights would be transferable only within the ejido, or whether land could also be transferred to non-ejidatarios (De Janvry et al. 2015). We view this as a workable template for resolving the land tenure conflicts on Native American reservations
 

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Oh, 5fish! You don't want to go there - it's much easier sticking to army base renaming! Starting a business on the reservation is so difficult. The paperwork alone is daunting - you get through the first five reams and the second five reams contradicts the first five reams.... If you live on the reservation, you do not have to pay state taxes on anything bought, such as appliances or furniture, or cars. In California, with the heaviest sales tax in the country, that is a big savings after you file the extentsive paperwork to qualify EXCEPT the items can only be used on the reservation. If you drive the car off the reservation, you owe taxes. Neither state or federal taxes are applicable to federally recognized Indian tribes EXCEPT individual Indians are US citizens and therefore have to pay federal taxes, but not state taxes.....

That's just a taste of taxes. There's more! You get the picture...
 

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That's just a taste of taxes. There's more! You get the picture...
Here... I tried to find how much money Indian tribes get form the Federal government over the management of their lands...

I notice everyone trying to find a way to end poverty on the reservation and it is simple UIB give everyone a debit card and all that money divided it and load each Indian tribal member debit cards and let them spend it where and when they want. They do this in refugee camps and its made a wonder of difference for the refugees and the local economies.

It is obvious the Federal and Tribal Governments are mismanaging the funds because of the poverty, lack of medical care and so forth... Debit cards by dividing up the money and sending it to each individual tribal members will take the mismanagement out of the system and give the member the power on tribal issues. The tribe will have to tax its members to pay of governing the tribe and the tribal member will have the spending power to bring business to the reservation and it the want to build businesses on tribal lands be like the Chineses must be a joint venture with a tribal member 51/49 split...

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Traditionally, aid has been largely delivered through in-kind support. But with some 80 per cent of the world’s displaced people living in cities, and often with either only limited or no access to legal employment, cash aid is now a critical tool across all sectors – from health and food, to shelter and meeting basic needs. UNHCR is working with other agencies and the private sector to streamline aid with tangible benefits for refugees and for our donors.

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In Jordan, where we have been giving cash to high vulnerability Syrian refugees in urban areas since 2012, studies show cash is the preferred means of assistance. Vulnerable families are often headed by women alone who can face cultural, legal and childcare obstacles finding work. Cash aid is helping prevent thousands of refugees facing severe hardship and resorting to desperate survival strategies – such as pulling children out of school, child labour and begging, survival sex, early marriage or returning to war zones.

The Jordan programme, which provides cash mainly through the use of iris scans at ATMs linked to UNHCR’s pioneering biometric registration system, has recently been expanded. It now includes extra support for refugees to get health care, buy fuel and clothes for winter (including for refugees in camps), and one-off emergency support
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Snip... links about the program...


Snip... this ia a good one to read too... consumers will spend the money well...


They only reason why anyone is poor because the lack money... its easy to fix share the indian wealth...
 

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There are almost no private businesses or entrepreneurs on Indian reservations because there are no property rights. Reservation land is held in trust by the federal government and most is also owned communally by the tribe. ... The Bureau of Indian Affairs regulates just about every aspect of commerce on reservations
This article is interesting because it addresses the problem quite well - and why it's a dilemna without a solution...for now. The Alaska people have an even more unique relationship with the US government. They've been given sovereignty over their lands, resources and finances through Native owned and run corporations. That sounds good, right? It might well be...if the corporations were owned and operated by Natives and not predominated by special interests. This is exactly what has happened with the dam removal project in California/Oregon - special interests run by large money (think Warren Buffet) co-opt Native rights for their own interests, using the river tribes as a stalking horse... Well, you get the picture! As the Dawes Act illustrated quite clearly, it's a lot easier for the government and private companies to scoop up Indian property when the owners are individuals, not common lot. You end up with the checkerboard:

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This pattern of land ownership - individual allotment, non-Indian ownership, federal trust management, etc - if applied to the United States would cause prosperity to become exceedingly difficult. Unity would be impossible, and no strong nation would rise from such a system.
 

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This pattern of land ownership - individual allotment, non-Indian ownership, federal trust management, etc - if applied to the United States would cause prosperity to become exceedingly difficult. Unity would be impossible, and no strong nation would rise from such a system.
I do not know the details but if the land is inside your lands pass tribal laws on land use and management use Eminent domain for the betterment of the community... I know if a developers want to change that checker board of land they get it done... I do not know details but I know governments local, state and federal can take land if needed with compensation... I think Indian tribes can too... I am telling you those debit cards put the money in the hands of the people...
 

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I do not know the details but if the land is inside your lands pass tribal laws on land use and management use Eminent domain for the betterment of the community... I know if a developers want to change that checker board of land they get it done... I do not know details but I know governments local, state and federal can take land if needed with compensation... I think Indian tribes can too... I am telling you those debit cards put the money in the hands of the people...
Well.... Let's just say the tribes have a special relationship with the US government. Eminent domain does not apply to Indian reservation land or Indian trust land. The checkerboard effect was a direct result of the Dawes Act and subsequent legislation designed to circumvent treaty obligations and break up the possibility of a tribe actually gaining international recognition as a nation. The original Great Sioux Reservation would have been just that if left alone - breaking it up by individual ownership allowed non-Indians to acquire substantial amounts of Native territory.

The allotment system worked in tandem with the rancheria system - no group, band or tribal entity could acquire enough land, or enough good land, or enough contiguous land to establish a prosperous, self-sufficient nation. The original 1851 Shasta treaty gave the tribe an area approximately the size of Leichtenstein with good timber, mineral, water and other resources, with a possible port outlet via the Klamath River. This treaty wasn't ratified...and one might see the problem to the US if large reservations such as this proposed one achieved self-sufficiency.

Money issues... oy vey! It's a nice idea to let each individual have a share of tribal funds, if they didn't have so many government strings attached. Without the government's 'help', it might be possible for many impoverished tribes to dig themselves out of it - stores, businesses, manufacturing, all sorts of enterprises could be viable and prosperous. The general funds of most tribes are a deep dark mystery to tribal members for the most part! For example, we would like to put a grocery store on the rez. It's a food desert here. The amazing paperwork and hoop-jumping we have to do for this to happen is nothing short of Herculean. I have hopes for the new BIA head - being a Pueblo, she has first hand experience from this end - but we'll have to see how far she can get. The last Indian to try was Eli Parker...and it didn't go well!
 

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Here's an article you might be interested in. Biden put a moratorium on all oil and gas leasing and drilling for 60 days on public lands. The Ute Reservation has had oil and gas operations for decades, and their lands are not public lands. They bring up...sovereignty.

 

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Here's an article you might be interested in. Biden put a moratorium on all oil and gas leasing and drilling for 60 days on public lands. The Ute Reservation has had oil and gas operations for decades, and their lands are not public lands. They bring up...sovereignty.

It tar sands they want to develope and they are crazy... All that pretty land will ease to be... the link has videos... strip mining... Greats amount of water is needed...

 

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It tar sands they want to develope and they are crazy... All that pretty land will ease to be... the link has videos... strip mining... Greats amount of water is needed...

That's not the point at the moment. It's the right to self determination. The president doesn't have the right to create an executive order stopping a means of employment the Utes have used for years. This is by executive order. The Utes will have to challenge it in court if he doesn't rescind it - they have enough money to fight this. But, without these operations, they won't have. You know - America! All the justice money can buy!
 

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That's not the point at the moment. It's the right to self determination.
The right to make a self inflected wound that will never heal in their tribe's life time... Why do they not build wind farms and solar farms that way not only do they create energy and sell to directly on the market... the tar sand have to be process to become viable and to create worth which wont happen on the reservation and the reservation becomes a third world nation being used for a resource extraction and gaining nothing but pollution and scared lands... It takes people to build wind farms and solar farms... You know you can build mini nuclear plants too... without destroying anything ... I see the corruption...
 

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This reservation is the third largest in the US, lots of resources. Here's their website - you can check out what they are doing with their gas and oil, and with other enterprises.

 

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There is something wrong in Denmark or among the Utes... I click on the link saw a pretty oil reg., a big shiny building , they have a casino and so on... I find this link and learn the Ute are about 19,000 people and massive poverty with all the wealth I saw.... I wonder why...

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The Uintah and Ouray Reservation in Utah is the home to the Northern Ute. The reservation covers 17,678 square miles and has a population of about 19,000. More than half of the families on the reservation (54%) live in poverty with 4% in extreme poverty. .

I am glad I not an Native American because I be bring socialism to the tribe, debit cards for all. There should be no poverty... not abject poverty...
 

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He sees! Glory be...thought I'd be another twenty pages, 5fish! :D
 

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