The National Defense Authorization Bill: Renaming army bases.

[Tom]

In the massive ND bill that just passed over President Trump's veto, there is a provision to rename military bases currently named for CSA generals.

Many Union veterans were still living in 1909 and 1917. There were even some alive in the 1940s (at least their sons and daughters were). I wonder if any of those veterans (the ones who actually fought against the CSA) objected to forts named after Confederates?

Forts:
Benning (1909)
Jackson (1917)
Lee (1917)
Bragg (1918)
Gordon (1941)
Stewart (1941)
Polk (1941)
Hood (1942)

 

[rittmeister]

Many Union veterans were still living in 1909 and 1917. There were even some alive in the 1940s (at least their sons and daughters were). I wonder if any of those veterans (the ones who actually fought against the CSA) objected to forts named after Confederates?

Forts:
Benning (1909)
Jackson (1917)
Lee (1917)
Bragg (1918)
Gordon (1941)
Stewart (1941)
Polk (1941)
Hood (1942)

does it matter? stuff gets renamed all the time

 

[Tom]

Our government made actual formal treaties with the Native People, ergo they are a nation.

Confederates did too.
Ergo.

 

[Tom]

...stuff gets renamed all the time

Yeah. Fort Woke.

 

[rittmeister]

Yeah. Fort Woke.

cape canaveral

 

[Tom]

Camp Lejeune will be Camp Safe-Space.

"But Lejeune wasn't a Confederate."

He is if the SJWs want to change the name.

 

[rittmeister]

Camp Lejeune will be Camp Safe-Space.

"But Lejeune wasn't a Confederate."

He is if the SJWs want to change the name.

got a link?

 

[Jim Klag]

Camp Lejeune will be Camp Safe-Space.

"But Lejeune wasn't a Confederate."

He is if the SJWs want to change the name.

He even argues with himself. More than ⅔ of the House and Senate voted for the change, so get over it.

 

[rittmeister]

i never understood why anyone would name anything after braxton bragg (even if the confederates had won)

 

[Jim Klag]

Many Union veterans were still living in 1909 and 1917. There were even some alive in the 1940s (at least their sons and daughters were). I wonder if any of those veterans (the ones who actually fought against the CSA) objected to forts named after Confederates?

Forts:
Benning (1909)
Jackson (1917)
Lee (1917)
Bragg (1918)
Gordon (1941)
Stewart (1941)
Polk (1941)
Hood (1942)

You forgot Fort Rucker, Camp Beauregard, Barksdale AFB, Camp Shelby, Fort A. P. Hill, Fort Pickett, Camp Maxey

 

[5fish]

You forgot Fort Rucker,

Benning (1909)
Jackson (1917)

Here is a link that tells the detail history of naming Camps and the Camp named for Forrest had push back from Black newspapers...

The National Defense Authorization Bill: Renaming army bases.

In the massive ND bill that just passed over President Trump's veto, there is a provision to rename military bases currently named for CSA generals. Many Union veterans were still living in 1909 and 1917. There were even some alive in the 1940s (at least their sons and daughters were). I...

www.jggscivilwartalk.online

 

[diane]

I think there was a lot of lobbying by the UDC, which at that time wanted to preserve Confederate culture and white supremacy. If their fathers and grandfathers had not won a physical war, they would win a cultural/societal one. I've always thought that phase was a soft insurgency.

 

[O' Be Joyful]

Here is a link that tells the detail history of naming Camps and the Camp named for Forrest had push back from Black newspapers...

The National Defense Authorization Bill: Renaming army bases.

In the massive ND bill that just passed over President Trump's veto, there is a provision to rename military bases currently named for CSA generals. Many Union veterans were still living in 1909 and 1917. There were even some alive in the 1940s (at least their sons and daughters were). I...

www.jggscivilwartalk.online

Bad link. Retry

 

[5fish]

Bad link. Retry

Here the history behind the names and one named for Forrest had push back from black newspapers... @Tom , @Jim Klag

Naming of U.S. Army Posts | U.S. Army Center of Military History

 

[5fish]

Vatican City,

Humm not so... Vatican City has relations with other nations as equals... Our Native American tried any of this they be thrown in the brig... They have the power of a workers union... To give group local authority does not make them a nation...

The Holy See has long been recognised as a subject of international law and as an active participant in international relations. One observer has stated that its interaction with the world has, in the period since World War II, been at its highest level ever.[1] It is distinct from the city-state of the Vatican City, over which the Holy See has "full ownership, exclusive dominion, and sovereign authority and jurisdiction".[2]

The diplomatic activities of the Holy See are directed by the Secretariat of State (headed by the Cardinal Secretary of State), through the Section for Relations with States.

The Holy See recognizes all UN member states, except for the People's Republic of China (as the Holy See only recognizes the Republic of China) and North Korea (as the Holy See only has relations with South Korea). The Holy See also recognizes the State of Palestine,[3][4] the only other non-UN member it recognizes besides Taiwan (ROC).

The term "Vatican Diplomatic Corps", by contrast with the diplomatic service of the Holy See, properly refers to all those diplomats accredited to the Holy See, not those who represent its interests to other nations and international bodies. Since 1961, Vatican diplomats also enjoy diplomatic immunity.[5]

 

[Matt McKeon]

Camp Lejeune will be Camp Safe-Space.

"But Lejeune wasn't a Confederate."

He is if the SJWs want to change the name.

Diane has already mentioned this, and I have before. A few years back, the Custer Battlefield was renamed the Little Bighorn. Its hard not to see that as an improvement.

 

[5fish]

Native people Tribes are neither sovereign or nation if the United States has fiduciary obligation over them... United States is their legal Guardian...

Tribal nations have been recognized as sovereign since their first interaction with European settlers. The United States continues to recognize this unique political status and relationship.

As stated on the website of the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs: “The federal Indian trust responsibility is also a legally enforceable fiduciary obligation on the part of the United States to protect tribal rights, lands, assets, and resources.”

Note: A fiduciary duty is a commitment to act in the best interests of another person or entity. Broadly speaking, a fiduciary duty is a duty of loyalty and a duty of care. That is, the fiduciary must act only in the best interests of a client or beneficiary. And, the fiduciary must act diligently in those interests.

This link gives a brief legal history...

 

[5fish]

Are there any stone age empires ... need to create alloys ...

List of Bronze Age states - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Bronze...

Snip... this is how many centuries the North American native peoples were behind...

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The Bronze Age marked the first time humans started to work with metal. Bronze tools and weapons soon replaced earlier stone versions. Ancient Sumerians in the Middle East may have been the first people to enter the Bronze Age. Humans made many technological advances during the Bronze Age, including the first writing systems and the invention of the wheel. In the Middle East and parts of Asia, the Bronze Age lasted from roughly 3300 to 1200 B.C., ending abruptly with the near-simultaneous collapse of several prominent Bronze Age civilizations.

Humans may have started smelting copper as early as 6,000 B.C. in the Fertile Crescent, a region often called “the cradle of civilization” and a historical area of the Middle East where agriculture and the world’s first cities emerged.

 

[rittmeister]

the egyptians used copper tools and i dare say that was an empire

 

[5fish]

the egyptians used copper tools and i dare say that was an empire

You may want to rethink your thought... first empire bronze age...

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The Egyptian bronze age was 4500 years before bronze was a thought by Native American ...

In Ancient Egypt, the Bronze Age begins in the Protodynastic period, c. 3150 BC. The archaic Early Bronze Age of Egypt, known as the Early Dynastic Period of Egypt, immediately follows the unification of Lower and Upper Egypt, c. 3100 BC.