The Confederate Hispanic Strategy?

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Hispanics in the American Civil War - Wikipedia
Some report that more Mexicans fought for the Union than the Confederacy. This article says more fought for the Confederacy than the Union.
What was the obvious Latino strategy of the Confederacy? Lucy Pickens wrote the "Free Flag of Cuba". This is a tale of chivalric virtue toward noble ladies , the end of the Spanish Empire and a free flag of Cuba away from the Spanish. The "Dixie Children's Book" compares these new State-Nations as if they had just left such an empire, as if North Carolina is Bolivia, as if Georgia were Mexico, or Texas was Peru, and so on.
So the Latino shared an end of the control of Empires specifically ones from Europe.

Many know of Cinco de Mayo, the May 5th , 1862 victory of the nation of Mexico against the French Empire.
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Timely!

The politics of Religion has never been the politics of blood. The Presbyterian Church in mexico has 2.8 million members and in fact outnumbers and excommunicated this innovative "PCUSA" the Americans are now plagued with. Korea 3 fold may have 9 million Presbyterians. So always to the independent character of the nations, Aztec or Joseon or Pilgrim heritages outside of Empires as was the call of the Spirit to Macedon and all the States in Europe, against a Roman Church , a Pope and Caesar, and a Universal Pope Nation. Southern Presbyterians were involved in that mission. The "Pope" of a "Romish Church" of a "Universal/Catholic Yankee Nation".
 

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Hispanics in the American Civil War - Wikipedia
Some report that more Mexicans fought for the Union than the Confederacy. This article says more fought for the Confederacy than the Union.
What was the obvious Latino strategy of the Confederacy? Lucy Pickens wrote the "Free Flag of Cuba". This is a tale of chivalric virtue toward noble ladies , the end of the Spanish Empire and a free flag of Cuba away from the Spanish. The "Dixie Children's Book" compares these new State-Nations as if they had just left such an empire, as if North Carolina is Bolivia, as if Georgia were Mexico, or Texas was Peru, and so on.
So the Latino shared an end of the control of Empires specifically ones from Europe.

Many know of Cinco de Mayo, the May 5th , 1862 victory of the nation of Mexico against the French Empire.
Cinco de Mayo - Wikipedia
Timely!

The politics of Religion has never been the politics of blood. The Presbyterian Church in mexico has 2.8 million members and in fact outnumbers and excommunicated this innovative "PCUSA" the Americans are now plagued with. Korea 3 fold may have 9 million Presbyterians. So always to the independent character of the nations, Aztec or Joseon or Pilgrim heritages outside of Empires as was the call of the Spirit to Macedon and all the States in Europe, against a Roman Church , a Pope and Caesar, and a Universal Pope Nation. Southern Presbyterians were involved in that mission. The "Pope" of a "Romish Church" of a "Universal/Catholic Yankee Nation".
The most important battle involving Hispanic troops was the battle of Glorieta Pass where the First and Second New Mexico Volunteers stoped Confedrate Texas troops en-route to siezing the New Mexico Territory which included the present day state of Arizona and San Bernardino County California that contained mineral's.
Religion had nothing to do with anything as far as the Hispanics were concerned. Neither the Union or the Confedracy was officially anti Catholic.
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It may sound small-minded, at first. but the belief in One Church leads one to be Pro-Orthodox, or Pro-Catholic, or Pro-Presbyterian, or Pro Lutheran or Pro one of them. Detaining the Pope does not yet produce a structural Presbyterian Church. Though these names tend to be structural, like the Anglican Bishopric. You know the Roman Jurisdiction in Orthodox Patriarchy was already huge as if the whole Western Roman Empire were his jurisdiction in the Orthodox Church, in Rome was a Patriarch, such as Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria, Constantinople of the Pentarchy.

Stonewall Jackson's command favored good Presbyterians. (wiki) The Covenanter Flag is the inspiration of a 2nd Dixie flag, first a battle flag, then a burial shroud to Jackson. We're not interested in how many free religious were practiced in the Confederacy, sure... What is the Religious inspiration? The Camp meeting I reference has some denominations, against heretics , a Union Universalist, the Romish Church. ("Life Campaigns Stonewall Jackson" pg. 653 I listed here) how many famous scenes are in this account? The end has the train station painting with Jackson, wife Anna and baby Julia. It has the "romp" with the child? It has a few. https://www.jggscivilwartalk.online/index.php?threads/christian-are-taking-over-the-army-not-fighting-for-you.3072/post-32740
 

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It may sound small-minded, at first. but the belief in One Church leads one to be Pro-Orthodox, or Pro-Catholic, or Pro-Presbyterian, or Pro Lutheran or Pro one of them. Detaining the Pope does not yet produce a structural Presbyterian Church. Though these names tend to be structural, like the Anglican Bishopric. You know the Roman Jurisdiction in Orthodox Patriarchy was already huge as if the whole Western Roman Empire were his jurisdiction in the Orthodox Church, in Rome was a Patriarch, such as Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria, Constantinople of the Pentarchy.

Stonewall Jackson's command favored good Presbyterians. (wiki) The Covenanter Flag is the inspiration of a 2nd Dixie flag, first a battle flag, then a burial shroud to Jackson. We're not interested in how many free religious were practiced in the Confederacy, sure... What is the Religious inspiration? The Camp meeting I reference has some denominations, against heretics , a Union Universalist, the Romish Church. ("Life Campaigns Stonewall Jackson" pg. 653 I listed here) how many famous scenes are in this account? The end has the train station painting with Jackson, wife Anna and baby Julia. It has the "romp" with the child? It has a few. https://www.jggscivilwartalk.online/index.php?threads/christian-are-taking-over-the-army-not-fighting-for-you.3072/post-32740
None of which has anything to do with why Hispanics fought on either side during the ACW. Most Hispanics back then we're Roman Catholics but being or not being Roman Catholic wasn't why they fought.
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None of which has anything to do with why Hispanics fought on either side during the ACW. Most Hispanics back then we're Roman Catholics but being or not being Roman Catholic wasn't why they fought.
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Besides being a speedy contradictory voice with little sense more than my position would be flaming and trolling? Well? I don't see religion listed anywhere for any officer , anyway. The Confederates listed religion in the Cause, therefore its their patriotic sentiment.
 

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It looks like "
Julius Peter Garesché - Wikipedia " A Catholic, in Newark He contributed frequently on Catholic, social and political questions, to the New York "Freeman's Journal" and "Brownson's Quarterly Review", and in September, 1851, in recognition of his services to the Church, received knighthood from the Pope. . A Union Cuban aspiring Catholic. Of Course turn-about is fair play.
 

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This is a gibberish argument you are making this catholic stuff... But the First N.M. volunteers were interesting...


New Mexico's population in 1861, exclusive of Native Americans, was 80,000. Many of which were of Spanish and Mexican, decent from small rural villages. The majority of New Mexicans spoke little to no English and were unfamiliar with the American military establishment. Despite this, between July and December of 1861, 3,500 New Mexicans were recruited as volunteers in the United States Army. Most of these volunteers were from the northern New Mexico communities of Las Vegas, Mora, Santa Fe, Taos, and other surrounding areas. Five regiments composed of five to ten companies (80 - ICQ men per company) were raised in the territory. The five regiments included infantry, cavalry, and spies and guides. The recruits were assembled and organinzed at Fort Union and Albuquerque under the direction of such prominent officers such as. Col. Christopher "Kit" Carson, Col. Ceran St. Vrain, Col. Miguel Pino, It. Col. Manuel Chavez , Lt. Col. J. Francisco Chavez, and Capt. Raphael Chacon


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In February of 1862, all five regiments of New Mexico Volunteers were sent to Fort Craig, 30 miles south of Socorro, in anticipation of the Confederate advance up the Rio Grande. On February 21, 1862, near Ft. Craig the Battle of Valverde ensued. The clash between these two armies resulted in a Union defeat and the continued Confederate advancement. After the territorial capital of Santa Fe was captured by Confederate forces, a military decision was made to engage the Confederate threat head-on, with Union regulars and Volunteer troops out of Fort Union. The Battle of Glorieta took place in March of 1862, about 20 miles northeast of Santa Fe. The descisve moment in the battle occured when Lt. Colonel Manuel Chavez, of the 2""^ Regiment New Mexico Volunteers, guided approximately 400 soldiers including, Colorado Volunteers and Union Regulars, over Rowe Mesa to Apache Canyon, where the Confederate supply train was located, and quickly destroyed. With the Union victory at Glorieta secured, the Confederate invasion of New Mexico was effectively over.

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Canby anticipated just such an invasion and had tried to shore up his fighting forces with a volunteer infantry and cavalry paid and equipped by the U.S. government. Kit Carson commanded the First Regiment of New Mexico Volunteers, and Col. Miguel Pino and Lt. Col. Manuel Chaves commanded the second. Canby favored Hispanics in filling officers’ ranks, believing it would attract more volunteers. Albuquerque became a rendezvous for recruits, who were sent south to Fort Craig, south of Socorro.
 
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