Tank Destroyers

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More like Infantry Support Vehicles. For example the Bradley with anti tank missiles worked out well against Iraqi armor supplied by the former Soviet Union?
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they are called like that. missile carriers are not line of sight weapon systems (they can do that of course). the idea is that some infantry way forward 'paints' the tasrget and whoosh.
 

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yes also infantry fighting vehicles like the Bradley.
Not to forget anti-tank missile-carrying helicopters.
choppers really like someone on the ground to 'paint' the target. or at least another chopper doing that because for a line of sight attack they need o stay stationary. what do you think a tank gun does to a chopper with any of the munitions in the tank?
 

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they are called like that. missile carriers are not line of sight weapon systems (they can do thar of course). the idea is that some infantry way forward 'paints' the tasrget and whoosh.
True that the anti tank missiles that are now close to fifty years old made the TDs obsolete.
The TDs were certainly useful up to Circa 1969.
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choppers really like someone on the ground to 'paint' the target. or at least another chopper doing that becausefor a line of sight attack they need o stay stationary. what do you think a tank gun does to a chopper with any of he munitions in the tank?
Originally US Army choppers used TOW missiles in Vietnam during the 1972 North Vietnamese invasion. They were wire guided missiles. Has long as the chopper could stay out of range of a Soviet Dhaska 12.7mm gun the choppers were fine. If the North Vietnamese towed 23mm anti aircraft guns that's a different story.
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Originally US Army choppers used TOW missiles in Vietnam during the 1972 North Vietnamese invasion. They were wire guided missiles. Has long as the chopper could stay out of range of a Soviet Dhaska 12.7mm gun the choppers were fine. If the North Vietnamese towed 23mm anti aircraft guns that's a different story.
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1972 being the word here - don't know about you, but i was 8 years old most of that year
 

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1972 being the word here - don't know about you, but i was 8 years old most of that year
I can remember going to Red Stone Arsenal Huntsville Al on grade school trip and seeing the hot new technology 1st Gen TOW missile demonstrated.
 

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I can remember going to Red Stone Arsenal Huntsville Al on grade school trip and seeing the hot new technology 1st Gen TOW missile demonstrated.
by some scientist with a wernher von braun like accent?
 

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about a certain obersturmbannführer von braun

 

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by some scientist with a wernher von braun like accent?
I remember little other than the tow missile, looking at the wire, a radar demonstration and not much more.
 

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about a certain obersturmbannführer von braun

Not sure if Werner Von Braun had anything to do with the TOW missile..
If the US didn't utilize Nazi scientists the Soviets would have.
The French aircraft company Dassault owned by a French Jew hired Nazi aircraft designers who's design for the 1960s era Mirage 3 formed the backbone of the Israeli and South African Air Forces. Buisness is buisness so what if we used Nazi scientists.
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Which has what to do with the TOW? I already mentioned that TOW stands for Tube Optical Wire. The clip above deales with an air to ship radio controlled missile which was very advanced for it's era.
Your talking apples and I am taking an orange.
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A good video is"M-10 Wolverine Tank Destroyer built on the chassis of the M-4 Sherman.
The M-10 was pretty good until approximately early 1944 when heavier German tanks made it's 76mm high velocity gun obsolete. It was replaced somewhat by the M-36 Jackson with it's 90mm high velocity gun .
Nonetheless the M-10 was used well after WW2 and may have seen combat with the Israelis.
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The most powerful tank destroyer of WWII was the German " Nashorn" or "Rino". It packed the most powerful verso of 88mm gun anti aircraft gun.
It could take out a Sherman at 3.5 km. See Mark Felton's "Nashorn vs Pershing" . If the 20 US Pershings's sent to Europe during WWII only one was destroyed and it was by a Nashorn.
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choppers really like someone on the ground to 'paint' the target. or at least another chopper doing that because for a line of sight attack they need o stay stationary. what do you think a tank gun does to a chopper with any of the munitions in the tank?
I have never heard of a tank shooting down a helicopter. Do you have any examples excluding using a SAM?
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So per Wiki the US Tank Destroyer that killed the most German AFVs was the M-18 Hell Cat with the same 76mm high velocity gun used on the later models of the Sherman tank. The Hell Cat was very fast for it's era at 42mph on the open road.
The M-36 was more effective against Panthers and Tiger's since it had a 90mm high velocity gun. It was slower the then the M-18 HellCat.
Due the the Hell Cats speed it could brave by a Panther or Tiger and shoot the better armoured German tanks on the side or tear where there was less armor.
The M-36 could take out Panthers at long range. The M-36 didn't see combat until October 1944 and saw extensive service during the battle of the Bulge.
The M -36 was able to defeat all Soviet AFVs during the Korean War and saw extensive combat during the Balkan Wars.
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