Stonehenge in Africa... Mzora Stone Circle...

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Stonehenge in Africa, in Morocco... There a stone circle in Morocco similar to Stonehenge and other stone circles around the world. The site of the Mzora stone circle is by some the burial place Antaeus of Greek and Berber Mythologies...

Antaeus (/ænˈtiːəs/; Ancient Greek: Ἀνταῖος Antaîos, lit. "opponent", derived from ἀντάω, antao – 'I face, I oppose'), known to the Berbers as Anti, was a figure in Berber and Greek mythology.[1] He was famed for his loss to Heracles as part of his twelve Labours

Antaeus would challenge all passers-by to wrestling matches[6] and remained invincible as long as he remained in contact with his mother, the earth.[7][8][9][10] As Greek wrestling, like its modern equivalent, typically attempted to force opponents to the ground, he always won, killing his opponents.[7][11][12] He built a temple to his father using their skulls.[7][13] Antaeus fought Heracles as he was on his way to the Garden of Hesperides as his 11th Labour.[14] Heracles realized that he could not beat Antaeus by throwing or pinning him. Instead, he held him aloft and then crushed him to death in a bear hug.[15][16][17]


The Mzora Stone Circle
Msoura (also Mzoura, Mezora, Mçora, M'Zorah, M'Sora or Mzora)[1] is an archaeological site of a stone circle in northern Morocco. It is located near Chouahed village, 15 kilometers southeast of Asilah, and consists of 167 monoliths surrounding a tumulus 58 m long, 54 m wide, with a height of 6 m. One of the monoliths, known as El Uted (the peg) measures more than 5 m, with the average height of the monoliths being 1.5 m. Legend claims it is the tomb of the giant Antaeus. Dated to the 4th or 3rd century BC, the site probably hints to the beginnings of the Kingdom of Mauretania.


But the building of stone circles like this is far from an isolated event. There are plenty of examples, from Avesbury Stone Circle which is not too far away from Stonehenge in the UK, to Stoplesteinan in Norway, and a number of stone circles at the site of Carnac in France .
No matter what they were used for or who they were built by these stone circles all have one thing in common – they are a distinctly European phenomenon. It may therefore be surprising to learn that there is a megalithic stone circle in what is today northern Morocco. And it is just as mysterious and impressive as its European counterparts.

While Mzora has been rediscovered in Africa within the past 200 years, it was first described by the Roman general Quintus Sertorius in the 1st Century AD as he was told it was the tomb of Antaeus – a legendary giant who was slayed by the heroic demi-god Hercules as one of his labors. The size of the barrow in the center of the circle is probably at the heart of this rumor, which astounded Sertorius so much he conducted one of the first recorded archaeological excavations at the site. He wrote that the body of a man 26 meters (85 feet) long was found and he was so struck with horror that he immediately covered it again.

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Sketch of Mzora Stone Circle, 1830 The Mysterious Moroccan Megalithic Menhirs of Mzora.

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I do not think it a European thing here and even old stone circle site in Africa...


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Nabta Playa was once a large internally drained basin in the Nubian Desert, located approximately 800 kilometers south of modern-day Cairo[1] or about 100 kilometers west of Abu Simbel in southern Egypt,[2] 22.51° north, 30.73° east.[3] Today the region is characterized by numerous archaeological sites.[2] The Nabta Playa archaeological site, one of the earliest of the Egyptian Neolithic Period, is dated to circa 7500 BC.[4][5]

Here is a whole detail article about the site not found until 1970's...


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Europe alone holds some 35,000 megaliths, including many astronomically-aligned stone circles, as well as tombs (or cromlechs) and other standing stones. These structures were mostly built between 6,500 and 4,500 years ago, largely along the Atlantic and Mediterranean coasts.

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But even these primitive sites are at least centuries younger than the world’s oldest known stone circle: Nabta Playa.

Located in Africa, Nabta Playa stands some 700 miles south of the Great Pyramid of Giza in Egypt. It was built more than 7,000 years ago, making Nabta Playa the oldest stone circle in the world — and possibly Earth’s oldest astronomical observatory. It was constructed by a cattle worshiping cult of nomadic people to mark the summer solstice and the arrival of the monsoons.

The most famous of these sites is Stonehenge, a monument in England that’s thought to be around 5,000 years old. Though still old, at that age, Stonehenge may have been one of the youngest such stone structures to be built in Europe.
 

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“Australia’s Stonehenge,” yes there is a Stonehenge type place in the down under... good read...

https://www.news.com.au/national/qu...e/news-story/c1dc16df2aeb9003a288acf6c7e5d243

Here is the man.... found it... poor wiki page...


Here is one more link... bulldozed


Bulldozing Australia’s History
Despite the unpopular stance advocated by Slater, his research was meticulous and the methodology sound. More to the point, such was the strength of the case he made on behalf of this arrangement being the First Language, in 1940 representatives of the Australian Government approached the farmer and threatened to confiscate his land because of these rocks. The landholder under threat was openly sympathetic to the archaeology being done, but realised while the stones stood he would lose his land, income and livelihood. Within days of the threat by Government, the stones were reluctantly bulldozed and the land was left alone. Slater had lost his proof and not another supporting public statement was made. The whole unpleasant episode was expunged from the public arena and Slater’s correspondence was apparently lost or destroyed.

And so this historical vacuum remained… until about three months ago when local teacher Richard Patterson was rummaging through some discarded files in the back room of the local Historical Society. Amongst the accumulation of papers and documents were Slater’s letters to his on-field colleague. Soon after, Richard contacted me and my team, and so the
 

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There is a Seahenge... Too...


Here another link with a photo of these timbers in a circle... save in a museum now...


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“Seahenge” was a 4000 year old Bronze Age timber circle discovered in 1998 on the quiet and often forgotten North Norfolk Holme beach.
 

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@diane, you want to groc the 'australian stonehenge' - especially this article the fish posted
 

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@5fish, you do understand that ...
  1. building a big circle is the easiest way to get an astronomical machine (there's a bit more to it but not much) that can determine solstices?
  2. people through all times and all over the planet weren't stOOpid
  3. it's only white arrogance to think otherwise
 

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to call that thin would be a euphemism - as a matter of fact i think it's a rather smelly pile of bullshit (and i did read through all of it)
Here is the man.... found it... poor wiki page...
methinks what you call a 'poor' wiki sums it up about right
 

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to call that thin would be a euphemism - as a matter of fact i think it's a rather smelly pile of bullshit (and i did read through all of it)

methinks what you call a 'poor' wiki sums it up about right
I think you are upset with me... The place is still there but has been bulldozed over... Old Slater I think some of his assumptions are off... I will look around... I think the stones were pushed into piles of rocks...
 

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I think you are upset with me... The place is still there but has been bulldozed over... Old Slater I think some of his assumptions are off... I will look around... I think the stones were pushed into piles of rocks...
  • no coordinates
  • no real digging (the elders forbid it)
  • no govt data (but the govt threatened to confiscate the place)
  • every stone documented by slater but no pics
  • summoned eight ravens (might have been other birds)
  • a language in which every word has four different meanings (you also need your hands to talk)
  • the egyptians were in australia to learn how to do hyroglyphs but there was no means of transport for sandstones 20 km away
  • the white owner needed to plow it under to survive but the place is kinda tiny
  • in the '40s tourism was a thing
i think a couple of snake oil salesman sell esotheric bollocks (got zilch to do with you besides you buying it)
 

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building a big circle is the easiest way to get an astronomical machine (there's a bit more to it but not much) that can determine solstices?
You know I never thought of it that way... lining up rocks in a circle on the ground to make a star glazing machine... If you think about it the stars were the TV of ancient man...
 

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You know I never thought of it that way... lining up rocks in a circle on the ground to make a star glazing machine... If you think about it the stars were the TV of ancient mankind times...
you need sth to make markings on - when you know where the place in your 'wall' is you can cut off a piece and can tell your priests (who propally don't understand it anyway) 'when the sun touches the short part ...'
 

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Look what I found...


Wurdi Youang is the name attributed to an Aboriginal stone arrangement located off the Little River – Ripley Road at Mount Rothwell, near Little River, Victoria in Australia.[1] The site was acquired by the Indigenous Land Corporation on 14 January 2000 and transferred to the Wathaurong Aboriginal Co-operative on 17 August 2006

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Here is this... it seems to be other stone arrangements around Australia...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_stone_arrangement

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Aboriginal stone arrangements are a form of rock art constructed by Aboriginal Australians. Typically, they consist of stones, each of which may be about 30 centimetres (12 in) in size, laid out in a pattern extending over several metres or tens of metres. Notable examples have been made by many different Australian Aboriginal cultures, and in many case are thought to be associated with spiritual ceremonies.

Here a video on Australian Stonehenge...

 

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Wurdi Youang is the name attributed to an Aboriginal stone arrangement located off the Little River – Ripley Road at Mount Rothwell, near Little River, Victoria in Australia.[1] The site was acquired by the Indigenous Land Corporation on 14 January 2000 and transferred to the Wathaurong Aboriginal Co-operative on 17 August 2006

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Here is this... it seems to be other stone arrangements around Australia...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_stone_arrangement

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Aboriginal stone arrangements are a form of rock art constructed by Aboriginal Australians. Typically, they consist of stones, each of which may be about 30 centimetres (12 in) in size, laid out in a pattern extending over several metres or tens of metres. Notable examples have been made by many different Australian Aboriginal cultures, and in many case are thought to be associated with spiritual ceremonies.

Here a video on Australian Stonehenge...

people have messed with stones or logs all over the planet
 

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OMG... Scotland has an island with rock circles older than Stonehenge... more than one circle, two... the wiki link has pictures...


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Machrie Moor Stone Circles is the collective name for six stone circles visible on Machrie Moor near the settlement of Machrie on the Isle of Arran, Scotland.

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Six stone circles are visible on the moor immediately east of the derelict Moss Farm.[1] Some circles are formed of granite boulders, while others are built of tall red sandstone pillars.[1] The moor is covered with other prehistoric remains, including standing stones, burial cairns and cists.[1] The stone circles are positioned over previous timber circles.[2] A radiocarbon date of 2030 ± 180 BCE has been found for the timber circle at Machrie Moor 1.[3] Several hut circles can also be seen as low rings of turf-covered stone.[1]

The six stone circles are situated below a prominent notch on the skyline to the northeast where Machrie Glen divides into two steep-sided valleys.[4] At the summer solstice the notch is intersected by the sun at sunrise, and this may explain why the circles were sited in this location.[4]

The stone circles were recorded in 1861 by James Bryce, and numbered 1 to 5.[5] Five other monuments in the area were numbered 6 to 10, and when subsequently a further stone circle was discovered almost completely submerged in peat in 1978, it was numbered Machrie Moor 11.[5] Around 1 kilometer to the west is the remains of the Moss Farm Road Stone Circle (Machrie Moor 10).[6]
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Here is a wiki link about the these rock circles are on...


snip... a poem about the island...

An ancient Irish poem called Agalllamh na Senorach, first recorded in the 13th century, describes the attractions of the island.

Arran of the many stags
The sea strikes against her shoulders,
Companies of men can feed there,
Blue spears are reddened among her boulders.

Merry hinds are on her hills,
Juicy berries are there for food,
Refreshing water in her streams,
Nuts in plenty in the wood.[4


 

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I found this tidbit the first observatory in the America's... there are photo's at the links... read how the worked...

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Archaeological evidence indicates that Chankillo, located in the coastal desert of Peru near the Casma-Sechín river basin, may be the earliest known astronomical observatory in the Americas. Built over 2,300 years ago, the site features a plaza, Thirteen Towers that align on a ridge, and a Fortified Temple surrounded by barricades and defensive walls with false entrances to deter unwelcome visitors. Recent excavations indicate that Chankillo was occupied for a relatively short period of time between the mid-fourth century BCE and the early first century CE, but was subsequently abandoned, and remained largely forgotten until the nineteenth century.


The oldest solar observatory in the Americas has been awarded Unesco world heritage status and dubbed “a masterpiece of human creative genius”

Thirteen towers that align on a ridge are the best-known feature of the ancient site which dates between 250 and 200 BCE. The towers functioned as a calendar using the rising and setting arcs of the sun to mark not only equinoxes and solstices but even to define the precise time of year to within one or two days. The site also includes an imposing triple-walled hilltop complex, known as the Fortified Temple set in the barren landscape of the Casma river valley.


Old Wiki...


Chanquillo[1][2][3][4][5] or Chankillo[3][6][7][8] is an ancient monumental complex in the Peruvian coastal desert, found in the Casma-Sechin basin in the Ancash Department of Peru. The ruins include the hilltop Chankillo fort, the nearby Thirteen Towers solar observatory, and residential and gathering areas. The Thirteen Towers have been interpreted as an astronomical observatory built in the 4th century BC.
 

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I found this in Franch...


The Carnac stones (Breton: Steudadoù Karnag) are an exceptionally dense collection of megalithic sites near the south coast of Brittany in northwestern France, consisting of stone alignments (rows), dolmens (stone tombs), tumuli (burial mounds) and single menhirs (standing stones). More than 3,000 prehistoric standing stones were hewn from local granite and erected by the pre-Celtic people of Brittany and form the largest such collection in the world.[1] Most of the stones are within the Breton municipality of Carnac, but some to the east are within neighboring La Trinité-sur-Mer. The stones were erected at some stage during the Neolithic period, probably around 3300 BC, but some may date to as early as 4500 BC

This has a video...


7000 years old, the megalithic alignments of Carnac are world famous and are one of the most important centres of European prehistory in existence. The singularity of the Carnac megaliths is their extrordinary alignments and their sheer numbers, this is the largest gathering of standing stones of this type in the world. The two main sites (Ménec and Kermario) alone account for nearly 3,000 menhirs, and the alignments extend over almost four miles!
 

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I found this in Franch...


The Carnac stones (Breton: Steudadoù Karnag) are an exceptionally dense collection of megalithic sites near the south coast of Brittany in northwestern France, consisting of stone alignments (rows), dolmens (stone tombs), tumuli (burial mounds) and single menhirs (standing stones). More than 3,000 prehistoric standing stones were hewn from local granite and erected by the pre-Celtic people of Brittany and form the largest such collection in the world.[1] Most of the stones are within the Breton municipality of Carnac, but some to the east are within neighboring La Trinité-sur-Mer. The stones were erected at some stage during the Neolithic period, probably around 3300 BC, but some may date to as early as 4500 BC

This has a video...


7000 years old, the megalithic alignments of Carnac are world famous and are one of the most important centres of European prehistory in existence. The singularity of the Carnac megaliths is their extrordinary alignments and their sheer numbers, this is the largest gathering of standing stones of this type in the world. The two main sites (Ménec and Kermario) alone account for nearly 3,000 menhirs, and the alignments extend over almost four miles!
everybody knows how they got there

 

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These are old but I do not think neolithic... in the Arab sands... Rock Art...

Location:


Tayma /ˈtaɪmə/ (Taymanitic: , vocalized as: Taymāʾ;[1] Arabic: تيماء, romanized: Taymāʾ) or Tema /ˈtiːmə/ Teman/Tyeman (Habakkuk 3:3) is a large oasis with a long history of settlement, located in northwestern Saudi Arabia at the point where the trade route between Medina and Dumah (al-Jawf) begins to cross the Nefud desert. Tayma is located 264 km (164 mi) southeast of the city of Tabouk, and about 400 km (250 mi) north of Medina.[2][3] It is located in the western part of Nefud desert.

Most Rock art...


The Al Naslaa rock is a landform 50 km south of the Tayma oasis in Saudi Arabia. It is split down the middle into two parts, both balanced on small pedestals.[1] The overall shape of the rock may be due to wind erosion and chemical weathering that could have been possible due to the moist conditions in the protected underside of the rock.[2] It is split in two by what could be a joint, although the probability of it being that is questionable.

Here is a link that lists of photos of many of the Rock art at the Tayma oasis... and other areas where Rock Art is:

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