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On Wuilkette .com the above article can be found in today's edition of Real Clear Politics.
It's a very good counter to the 1619 Project.
The article points out that in 1938 almost eighty years after slavery the black out of wedlock birth rate was 13% vs today it's 74%.
Abolitionist societies started just after American Independence and we're successful from the start in Northern states.
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All sorts of information on out of wedlock births.
https://ifstudies.org/blog/trends-in-unmarried-childbearing-point-to-a-coming-apart

  • Shotgun marriage was once the norm for white women under 30 giving birth for the first time; now it’s rare for all groups.
Point is that is a child is born out of wedlock chances are very good Daddy won't be around which means more likely then not the child will be screwed up. 74% out of wedlock births is very high compared to 1938. Not all social pathologies in the African American Community can be blamed on slavery.
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Point is that is a child is born out of wedlock chances are very good Daddy won't be around which means more likely then not the child will be screwed up. 74% out of wedlock births is very high compared to 1938. Not all social pathologies in the African American Community can be blamed on slavery.
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Marriage historically has been an upper-class thing. Where there is no wealth, the incentive to marry is less. Hispanic rates are high and White rates are headed up.
 

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Marriage historically has been an upper-class thing. Where there is no wealth, the incentive to marry is less. Hispanic rates are high and White rates are headed up.
Deliberately having kids with out two parents is not the same as not being married. That is a conscious choice and it negativity impacts society.
I am not arguing that parents must remain married no matter what but an absent male is not going to lead to good outcomes for the child and it can't be blamed on slavery.
Hatians and Carribean Islanders have less crime and less out if wedlock births yet their ancestors definitely experienced slavery.
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Deliberately having kids with out two parents is not the same as not being married. That is a conscious choice and it negativity impacts society.
I am not arguing that parents must remain married no matter what but an absent male is not going to lead to good outcomes for the child and it can't be blamed on slavery.
Hatians and Carribean Islanders have less crime and less out if wedlock births yet their ancestors definitely experienced slavery.
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Not slavery plus Jim crow.
 

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Yet at the height of Jim Crow in 1938 out of wedlock births were still much lower percentage at 13% vs 74% today so we can't blame Jim Crow.
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Yet at the night of Jim Crow in 1938 out of wedlock births were still much lower percentage at 13% vs 74% today so we can't blame Jim Crow.
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Except that Jim Crow prevented many blacks from getting a Brith Certificate. In fact as late as WWII 1/3 of Americans did not have birth certificates and if they existed, state boards, especially in the South, only had paper records and understaffing.
I figure someone is pulling stats out of the thin air.
 

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Except that Jim Crow prevented many blacks from getting a Brith Certificate. In fact as late as WWII 1/3 of Americans did not have birth certificates and if they existed, state boards, especially in the South, only had paper records and understaffing.
I figure someone is pulling stats out of the thin air.
As late as the early 1950s a young Jesse Jackson recalled kids teasing him saying" Jesse ain't got no daddy" and that was in small town South Carolina. Something else destroyed black families.
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Point is that is a child is born out of wedlock chances are very good Daddy won't be around which means more likely then not the child will be screwed up. 74% out of wedlock births is very high compared to 1938. Not all social pathologies in the African American Community can be blamed on slavery.
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How dare you attempt to put any blame on AA's for having any culpability in some of their negative stats. :D

It's common sense. Boys need positive role model fathers to become good men. Daughters need Daddy's too. That's not to say it is a requirement. Though statistically, it helps. There are plenty of great people in our country who come from single Moms. However, if you pull prison statistics, you'll find the majority of inmates come from broken homes, & or, fatherless homes.

There is no one single factor that is to blame. However, it is my opinion that, the feminist movement in general, is partly to blame. The breakdown of the traditional family bares much of the responsibility, for plenty of the chaos, & mischief that engulfs many of our countries youth.
 

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How dare you attempt to put any blame on AA's for having any culpability in some of their negative stats. :D

It's common sense. Boys need positive role model fathers to become good men. Daughters need Daddy's too. That's not to say it is a requirement. Though statistically, it helps. There are plenty of great people in our country who come from single Moms. However, if you pull prison statistics, you'll find the majority of inmates come from broken homes, & or, fatherless homes.

There is no one single factor that is to blame. However, it is my opinion that, the feminist movement in general, is partly to blame. The breakdown of the traditional family bares much of the responsibility, for plenty of the chaos, & mischief that engulfs many of our countries youth.
That's a tough one. I don't have daughters so I can't have the same perspective that does with daughters have.
If I did I wouldn't want them to suffer discrimination. I definitely want them to be able to get abortions if they want. I wouldn't want them to feel that they have to be married and stay at home if that's not what they want.
I wouldn't tell them that they shouldn't get married but there is a good chance they will be divorced so they need to be able to support themselves if that happens.
If you had daughters would you want anything less for your girls?
So I wouldn't blame feminism per se.
Something else happened in American black culture not to argue there are not out of wed lock births in white culture and absent fathers.
John Toland in his biography of Adolph Hitler pointed out that when Hitler's father was born in mid 19th Century Austria the out of Wed Lick birth rate was 40% including of course Hitler's father.
On the other hand the Austrians didn't have welfare . Do there might be something go on about welfare being a negative influence on the family.
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That's a tough one. I don't have daughters so I can't have the same perspective that does with daughters have.
If I did I wouldn't want them to suffer discrimination. I definitely want them to be able to get abortions if they want. I wouldn't want them to feel that they have to be married and stay at home if that's not what they want.
I wouldn't tell them that they shouldn't get married but there is a good chance they will be divorced so they need to be able to support themselves if that happens.
If you had daughters would you want anything less for your girls?
So I wouldn't blame feminism per se.
Something else happened in American black culture not to argue there are not out of wed lock births in white culture and absent fathers.
John Toland in his biography of Adolph Hitler pointed out that when Hitler's father was born in mid 19th Century Austria the out of Wed Lick birth rate was 40% including of course Hitler's father.
On the other hand the Austrians didn't have welfare . Do there might be something go on about welfare being a negative influence on the family.
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Birth out of wedlock is a worldwide situation.
 

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Birth out of wedlock is a worldwide situation.
True but it wasn't so bad at one time in the African American Community. Single parent households definitely affect their community in having more crime and young people don't do as well in the work force.
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True but it wasn't so bad at one time in the African American Community. Single parent households definitely affect their community in having more crime and young people don't do as well in the work force.
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Lots of things were so bad at one time.

A question, if it is so bad, why does it happen voluntarily? Are masses of people that stupid or what?
 

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That's a tough one. I don't have daughters so I can't have the same perspective that does with daughters have.
If I did I wouldn't want them to suffer discrimination. I definitely want them to be able to get abortions if they want. I wouldn't want them to feel that they have to be married and stay at home if that's not what they want.
I agree for the most part. However, some do want to stay at home, & raise children. Plenty of folks shame them for such. Feminism doesn't typically support women who feel empowered by, accepting & thriving in a traditional family role. Is our society better off with more single parents..? Is our society better off with both parents working..? Are our lives better as a result ..? What about the lives of our children..?

I wouldn't tell them that they shouldn't get married but there is a good chance they will be divorced so they need to be able to support themselves if that happens.
If you had daughters would you want anything less for your girls?
Absolutely not.

So I wouldn't blame feminism per se.
I did say, "partly to blame". Again, there is no single factor. Feminism today, preaches to women that, they don't need no man...

Something else happened in American black culture not to argue there are not out of wed lock births in white culture and absent fathers.
John Toland in his biography of Adolph Hitler pointed out that when Hitler's father was born in mid 19th Century Austria the out of Wed Lick birth rate was 40% including of course Hitler's father.
On the other hand the Austrians didn't have welfare . Do there might be something go on about welfare being a negative influence on the family.
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Fatherless children have the odds stacked against them, regardless of race or ethnicity. Certainly possible to overcome but, is more difficult. Whether it's culture, feminism, welfare, incarceration, or whatever..... there are an alarming number of fatherless children in the Black community. No single thing could help this community more, than bringing back the traditional family to this community.
 

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Lots of things were so bad at one time.

A question, if it is so bad, why does it happen voluntarily? Are masses of people that stupid or what?
I don't know. I just know the traditional family has been on a slow death spiral since the end of WW2 no doubt it's a combination of many different factors.
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I agree for the most part. However, some do want to stay at home, & raise children. Plenty of folks shame them for such. Feminism doesn't typically support women who feel empowered by, accepting & thriving in a traditional family role. Is our society better off with more single parents..? Is our society better off with both parents working..? Are our lives better as a result ..? What about the lives of our children..?


Absolutely not.


I did say, "partly to blame". Again, there is no single factor. Feminism today, preaches to women that, they don't need no man...



Fatherless children have the odds stacked against them, regardless of race or ethnicity. Certainly possible to overcome but, is more difficult. Whether it's culture, feminism, welfare, incarceration, or whatever..... there are an alarming number of fatherless children in the Black community. No single thing could help this community more, than bringing back the traditional family to this community.
In don't have a problem with a woman who wants to be a stay at home mom but it's not common at least in LA due to the cost of living.
Marriages have at least a fifty percent chance on divorce so while not a morally wrong choice it's an economically risky one.
I agree children need two parents in their lives if at all possible. Obviously while ideal the parents might not necessarily live together for a variety of reasons.
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I don't know. I just know the traditional family has been on a slow death spiral since the end of WW2 no doubt it's a combination of many different factors.
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Ever since Reagan was elected.
 

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No not even close. By the 1950s the US divorce rate was about 30%. Ronald Regan was the first US President who was divorced having divorce b- actress Jane Wyman decades before.
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