Slavery gave birth to America...

[TomEvans]

It is all gibberish; you ignore everything that came after it, 1783... the world did not freeze in 1783... and in 1861 is a fallacy of your making... Answer my questions from the previous post...

Clearly you cannot read.

Again, NEITHER side is claiming that state sovereignty CHANGED, so clearly any explanation futile since you are incapable of comprehending that.

 

[5fish]

Again, NEITHER side is claiming that state sovereignty CHANGED, so clearly any explanation futile since you are incapable of comprehending that.

You seem to ignore the preamble opening words...

 

[TomEvans]

You seem to ignore the preamble opening words...

No, you ignore the CONTEXT.



So each state was a separate sovereign nation after 1783-- that was supremely ruled by its RESPECTIVE ELECTORATE after ratifying the Constitution.

 

[5fish]

No, you ignore the CONTEXT.

Federalist Papers are not the law, but the political philosophy... Preamble is the law...

 

[TomEvans]

Federalist Papers are not the law, but the political philosophy... Preamble is the law...

In the following CONTEXT.



So the United States, were thirteen fully de jure sovereign nations.

 

[5fish]

In the following CONTEXT.

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So the United States, were thirteen fully de jure sovereign nations.

Related to the topic at hand... meaningless after 1787...

 

[TomEvans]

Related to the topic at hand... meaningless after 1787...

No, the facts of 1783 did not magically vanish from history in 1787, but stood forever as the context for later events.

And so it will be a fact of history forever, that the states were 13 fully sovereign nations in 1783.

 

[5fish]

 

[TomEvans]

Maybe because Britannia ruled the waves, so any revolution had to be strictly land based.

 

[5fish]

aybe because Britannia ruled the waves, so any revolution had to be strictly land based.

Here is an article you should read and take to heart...

https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/lysander-spooner-fiction-social-contract

Lysander Spooner published the first part of No Treason, an all-out assault on the claim that the authority of the United States government rested on consent and that the southern states therefore committed “treason” when they seceded from the Union.

 

[TomEvans]

Here is an article you should read and take to heart...

https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/lysander-spooner-fiction-social-contract

Lysander Spooner published the first part of No Treason, an all-out assault on the claim that the authority of the United States government rested on consent and that the southern states therefore committed “treason” when they seceded from the Union.

You're completely missing the plot.

FACT:
The 1783 Treaty of Paris established 13 sovereign nations; and the Constitutional ratification, established each state's respective VOTERS as its supreme national authority.

Stick to that.