Silas and Andrew Chandler

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For your last statement it was very near sighted. and he had his money I believe it was in a jar which he hid. Also there are other examples of bonds like this which I can bring in but this is for all of y'all here: I will post a thread somewhere it is best suited regarding Black Confederate soldiers and we can bring evidence and debate there about that topic. Now not all slaves were brutally whipped and abused every day like in the movies but many were treated as family and friend which we can also debate and discuss in that thread I plan to post. As for Silas here his family were not hostages and Silas drug his childhood friend into a train car and brought him home why ? because he cared about him. Also like I said Andrew defended Silas and had his back if he was some horrible guy then he could have let things take their course and let him get beat or worse and he didn't have to tell anyone but no he didn't hesitate to help him. Also note that they have the same last name so it seams to me that they were close otherwise I think if he were as bad as some claim he would have been disgusted to share the same name but it doesn't look that way does it.
I am looking forward to some evidence and new information.

Before I debate anyone on black confederates, I require a concise definition of what one is. I believe that the Union army confiscated every slave on the basis that they were Confederate Contraband suggesting that all slaves were black confederates.
 

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I am looking forward to some evidence and new information.

Before I debate anyone on black confederates, I require a concise definition of what one is. I believe that the Union army confiscated every slave on the basis that they were Confederate Contraband suggesting that all slaves were black confederates.
When I post that you will get exactly what I think and consider a Black Confederate or a soldier at least. This will be one long and hot debate
 

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Also note that they have the same last name
Most slaves had the last name of their owner. This is evidence of nothing. Slaves came from African tribesmen where last names were rare. Giving slaves the owner's last name was a form of branding. Silas the slave was owned by Mr. Chandler.
 

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Most slaves had the last name of their owner. This is evidence of nothing. Slaves came from African tribesmen where last names were rare. Giving slaves the owner's last name was a form of branding. Silas the slave was owned by Mr. Chandler.
It is, the families had lived together for a long time and these 2 were childhood friends.
 

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It is, the families had lived together for a long time and these 2 were childhood friends.
Regardless of their friendship, one of them owned the other one and his family. George Washington's famous assistant, Billy, was the most famous slave in America. He was by his Washington's side for many years throughout the war and the presidency. Billy injured both knees in falls and he still had to work as a shoemaker at Mount Vernon. He was not freed until Washington's death. Close relationships did not negate the fact that one of them was a slave.
 

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It is, the families had lived together for a long time and these 2 were childhood friends.
might as well have been brothers. while the ius primae noctis was never codified in that feudal society of the south it was nevertheless vigorously consumed (in any night the master saw fit, that is). against those feudal overlords resistance was futile.
 

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Most slaves had the last name of their owner. This is evidence of nothing. Slaves came from African tribesmen where last names were rare. Giving slaves the owner's last name was a form of branding. Silas the slave was owned by Mr. Chandler.
Also by taking the last name of their previous owner it was a way for separated enslaved families to attempt to reconnect after the war. Taking that last name was a possible way to trace back their origins to a certain plantation or owner after being broken apart/sold off or separated by the war.

This method was used in classified ads in numerous black published newspapers that sprung up after the war, and the names stuck as they had become legally recognized.
 

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might as well have been brothers. while the ius primae noctis was never codified in that feudal society of the south it was nevertheless vigorously consumed (in any night the master saw fit, that is). against those feudal overlords resistance was futile.
Droit de seigneur was dramatized in the movie Braveheart, when the baron took Wallace's friend's wife on her wedding night.
 

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It is, the families had lived together for a long time and these 2 were childhood friends.
Without slavery, that would not have happened. Silas's wife was not a legal wife and his son was not his. All could have been sold and sent separate directions. Silas' owners could have impregnated the so-called wife and sold the offspring.

The leg incident seems to be problematic.

Andrew was shot in the leg during the battle. Family legend has it that the Confederate surgeon recommended amputation, and Silas, using a gold coin sewn into his jacket for emergencies, bought a crate of whiskey to bribe the surgeon to let him take Andrew away. He managed to smuggle Andrew onto a boxcar to Atlanta. Genealogy notes passed down by Andrew’s family contain the recollections of Mary Ivy Chandler, Andrew’s daughter. Mary Ivy says in the notes that Andrew’s uncle, Kyle Chandler, was waiting in Atlanta with a carriage and a nurse to bring Andrew and Silas back.
A Confederate medical document from 1864 uncovered by PBS confirms the story of Andrew’s injury, showing a gunshot wound to his right leg and ankle at Chickamauga, but nothing beyond family lore supports the gold coin story — neither Mary Ivy’s account nor his obituary in Confederate Veteran magazine mentions it. In fact, the genealogy notes raise the possibility that it may have been Kyle, not Silas, who got the whiskey, and for the hometown doctor rather than the army surgeon. “Uncle Kyle paid the doctor $40 a day for his services in caring for Papa, and that was what one quart of whiskey cost him,” Mary Ivy says in the notes. “I often wonder if the whiskey was for patients or if the doctor drank it.”
 

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When I post that you will get exactly what I think and consider a Black Confederate or a soldier at least. This will be one long and hot debate
I doubt it will be long or hot if the 'soldier' part of the definition includes toting a rifle in combat as a combatant.
 

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...As for Silas here his family were not hostages...
..rather, they called them slaves. Some improvement.

... and Silas drug his childhood friend into a train car and brought him home why ? because he cared about him...
I doubt he drugged him but just as effective his family was being held hostage.

...and brought him home why ? because he cared about him...
...as one would a pet dog. At least Lassie returned home on her own.

Wake up.
 
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...Also note that they have the same last name so it seams to me that they were close otherwise I think if he were as bad as some claim he would have been disgusted to share the same name but it doesn't look that way does it...
Is this to pull our legs? Slaves didn't choose their names. Wake up!
 

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slavery makes only sense if You are willing to abuse Your slaves otherwise there would not be slavery

slavery is as partnership as is cattle breeding

Yeh Johnny cattle, You know You were always my friend and partner and I love You, did I mention on Sunday we will have steak together?
 

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Is this to pull our legs? Slaves didn't choose their names. Wake up!
even when freed the weren't named Omuokpe or what ever their real name was the were named O'Hara or whatever the name of their farmer owner was
 
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