Silas and Andrew Chandler

[General Lee]

This is by far
one of my favorite photos from the 2nd war of independence because this is a prime example of many many cases of when people like them band together to fight an invader. Now If you want to debate on Black Confederates soldier do that elsewhere this is for recognizing the amazing bond that existed between many not for people to come in bashing on the photo and the cause these 2 men fought for so keep it positive.

 

[Jim Klag]

This is by far View attachment 3509
one of my favorite photos from the 2nd war of independence because this is a prime example of many many cases of when people like them band together to fight an invader. Now If you want to debate on Black Confederates soldier do that elsewhere this is for recognizing the amazing bond that existed between many not for people to come in bashing on the photo and the cause these 2 men fought for so keep it positive.

Invader?

 

[General Lee]

Invader?

Yeah Invader, people came down to invade and these boys fought to defend. Like I said this was for those who admire and apreciate what this photo symbolizes.

 

[Jim Klag]

Yeah Invader, people came down to invade and these boys fought to defend. Like I said this was for those who admire and apreciate what this photo symbolizes.

How does a country invade itself?

 

[rittmeister]

Yeah Invader, people came down to invade

sure?

 

[General Lee]

How does a country invade itself?

You can keep trying to use that but you know full well Lincoln called for 75,000 volunteers to invade, and Sherman was pretty good at burning his own country if that's what you believe.

 

[General Lee]

sure?

Union Dixie is a disgrace, theres nothing Dixie about Yankee land up there.

 

[rittmeister]

Union Dixie is a disgrace, theres nothing Dixie about Yankee land up there.

they don't say that - they say they are to go down to dixie and smash it

 

[rittmeister]

You can keep trying to use that but you know full well Lincoln called for 75,000 volunteers to invade, and Sherman was pretty good at burning his own country if that's what you believe.

remind me how many men old jeff had under arms when abe did that? as to sherman he told them what would happen even before they started that insurrection

Spoiler

they did

 

[Jim Klag]

You can keep trying to use that but you know full well Lincoln called for 75,000 volunteers to invade, and Sherman was pretty good at burning his own country if that's what you believe.

I'm not trying to use anything. What do you think they fought a war for? To see if part of the country could leave. That was decided by combat. The USA did not recognize the rebels as a separate country. You cannot invade your own country. It doesn't matter if the rebels thought they were a separate country. They lost. Period.

 

[rittmeister]

I'm not trying to use anything. What do you think they fought a war for? To see if part of the country could leave. That was decided by combat. The USA did not recognize the rebels as a separate country. You cannot invade your own country. It doesn't matter if the rebels thought they were a separate country. They lost. Period.

... and, what makes a bunch of dudes on ... acres of soil a country is international recognition.

Spoiler: number of coutries recognizing the confederacy as a coutry

zilch

 

[rittmeister]

This is by far View attachment 3509
one of my favorite photos from the 2nd war of independence because this is a prime example of many many cases of when people like them band together to fight an invader. Now If you want to debate on Black Confederates soldier do that elsewhere this is for recognizing the amazing bond that existed between many not for people to come in bashing on the photo and the cause these 2 men fought for so keep it positive.

you do know that one of those two men belonged (like a pen) to the other one which means he had no say whatsoever as to where he was going

 

[rittmeister]

... and btw, he may be an american* comedian but he speaks the truth

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*born and raised in england (really england if i wanted to say uk i'd have done so)

 

[Jim Klag]

... and btw, he may be an american* comedian but he speaks the truth

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*born and raised in england (really england if i wanted to say uk i'd have done so)

Love the guy who complained to the black guy that his ancestors couldn't afford the price of a slave. Otherwise the slaves would have been working the fields instead of his ancestors. That's what they call heritage.

 

[O' Be Joyful]

Listen to "The Portrait" @ https://megaphone.link/GLT5787464345

Below is a snippet from the interview with Myra Chandler Sampson… the great-grand-daughter of Silas Chandler.


JH: Before the war, Myra says, Silas was already a carpenter…. He helped in the construction of many buildings on the plantation…. And he was loaned out to help build the courthouse in West Point, Mississippi.

MCS: When he went away to the war he had just married and his wife was pregnant. and so his son, his first son, was born while he was away with Andrew. And I’m sure that if Silas didn’t have a family, if he didn’t have a wife back home, and he had a chance to escape, I’m sure he would have. He obeyed his oppressor, and followed directions because he wanted to survive, and he wanted his wife and his unborn son to survive.

JH: After the war… Silas went on to have seven more children… he continued to be a builder and taught his sons his trade… Silas Chandler lived until 1919…

MCS: He’s buried in the Greenwood Cemetery in West Point, Mississippi.

JH: Mm-hmm

MCS: That’s the black cemetery, the African-American cemetery.

JH: When Silas died, his family had a mason symbol engraved on his headstone -- to acknowledge his work as a carpenter.

But almost a century later, the Confederate supporters came up with a different idea about how to memorialize Silas Chandler

MCS: I believe it was 2003 the Daughters of the Confederacy and the Sons of the Confederate Veteran uh, they, they put an Iron Cross on his grave and a Confederate flag. And they declared Silas a Confederate hero.

It was on all the TV stations and throughout the state of Mississippi. I, I was invited to the ceremony but I told them there was no way in hell that I would attend a ceremony like that.

CK: But of course, that didn’t stop them… and it went far beyond just the ceremony… pro-Confederate groups turned Silas into an icon….There are posters… even t-shirts with his likeness... One t-shirt features Andrew Chandler wounded in battle...

MCS: And Silas is down on his knees, uh wrapping Andrew’s leg. And Silas has on a Confederate uniform with a Confederate cap at that time. And believe it or not I ordered that T-shirt ‘cause, ‘cause I wanted to see it.

JH: These groups… had taken Myra’s ancestor away from her…... They had redefined who Silas was.

 

[Wehrkraftzersetzer]

 

[Wehrkraftzersetzer]

2nd war of independence

considering how the war was started and conducted besides ACW I see only three potential names

1) War of Southern Aggression

2) War of Southern Hubris

3) War of Southern Arrogance

 

[General Lee]

It's the flag of independence and I take anything Lincoln says with a grain of salt.

 

[General Lee]

Listen to "The Portrait" @ https://megaphone.link/GLT5787464345

Below is a snippet from the interview with Myra Chandler Sampson… the great-grand-daughter of Silas Chandler.


JH: Before the war, Myra says, Silas was already a carpenter…. He helped in the construction of many buildings on the plantation…. And he was loaned out to help build the courthouse in West Point, Mississippi.

MCS: When he went away to the war he had just married and his wife was pregnant. and so his son, his first son, was born while he was away with Andrew. And I’m sure that if Silas didn’t have a family, if he didn’t have a wife back home, and he had a chance to escape, I’m sure he would have. He obeyed his oppressor, and followed directions because he wanted to survive, and he wanted his wife and his unborn son to survive.

JH: After the war… Silas went on to have seven more children… he continued to be a builder and taught his sons his trade… Silas Chandler lived until 1919…

MCS: He’s buried in the Greenwood Cemetery in West Point, Mississippi.

JH: Mm-hmm

MCS: That’s the black cemetery, the African-American cemetery.

JH: When Silas died, his family had a mason symbol engraved on his headstone -- to acknowledge his work as a carpenter.

But almost a century later, the Confederate supporters came up with a different idea about how to memorialize Silas Chandler

MCS: I believe it was 2003 the Daughters of the Confederacy and the Sons of the Confederate Veteran uh, they, they put an Iron Cross on his grave and a Confederate flag. And they declared Silas a Confederate hero.

It was on all the TV stations and throughout the state of Mississippi. I, I was invited to the ceremony but I told them there was no way in hell that I would attend a ceremony like that.

CK: But of course, that didn’t stop them… and it went far beyond just the ceremony… pro-Confederate groups turned Silas into an icon….There are posters… even t-shirts with his likeness... One t-shirt features Andrew Chandler wounded in battle...

MCS: And Silas is down on his knees, uh wrapping Andrew’s leg. And Silas has on a Confederate uniform with a Confederate cap at that time. And believe it or not I ordered that T-shirt ‘cause, ‘cause I wanted to see it.

JH: These groups… had taken Myra’s ancestor away from her…... They had redefined who Silas was.

There is divided opinion between these descendent s simply because some have more education about the war than others and Solar was indeed loyal and even brought Andrew home when he was wounded when he could have ran off. Andrew Chandler Battaille Sr., a descendant of Andrew Chandler, wrote, "It is not difficult to speculate that as a result of sharing these very trying life experiences that a special bond existed between [Andrew and Silas]".

 

[Jim Klag]

It's the flag of independence and I take anything Lincoln says with a grain of salt.

Hey, @General Lee , did you watch the video? It's not Lincoln talking. And what do you mean when you say you take anythin Lincoln says with a grain of salt? I can't wait to hear your explanation.