Secession ? Yes please!

[rittmeister]

SS is not tax here either, but mandatory retirement contribution.

you do know what ss is (or better was) here, i guess - whenever someone calls differnt things ss my mind goes hä?

 

[Leftyhunter]

gasoline taxes don't count as income tax, property taxes neither, social security is not a tax here but a sort of mutual fund (mandatory; an invention by that godless commie bismarck) - if i count all that in i'm over 60% so don't say yours is a high tax country (especially as i'm not super rich)

most rich people are succesful by inheriting the cash (you may take a certain donald t as a prime example for that)

aren't those 37% from a certain incom upwards? parts of my income is in the similar 45% bracket we have here

The top one percent income earners pay 44% of the income taxes. Maybe that fair maybe it's not. Point is may wealthy Americans are saying " Why am I paying so much money and is there a better alternative to living in the US? For many wealthy Americans the answer is " hell yes" time to blow the popsicle stand that is the US.
Leftyhunter

 

[Leftyhunter]

you do know what ss is (or better was) here, i guess - whenever someone calls differnt things ss my mind goes hä?

When the government takes money out of your paycheck that is a tax. It might be for a good reason not a bad reason but it's still a tax.
Leftyhunter

 

[rittmeister]

The top one percent income earners pay 44% of the income taxes. Maybe that fair maybe it's not. Point is may wealthy Americans are saying " Why am I paying so much money and is there a better alternative to living in the US? For many wealthy Americans the answer is " hell yes" time to blow the popsicle stand that is the US.
Leftyhunter

so funny thing is they are paying way less than in any other highly industrialized nation

When the government takes money out of your paycheck that is a tax. It might be for a good reason not a bad reason but it's still a tax.
Leftyhunter

it's not - do we have that discussion about your very own dictionary again?

 

[Leftyhunter]

Not if sucessful simply means accumulating more money.

That's called being sucessful.
Leftyhunter

 

[Leftyhunter]

so funny thing is they are paying way less than in any other highly industrialized nation

Maybe but they get benefits from doing so. Why not legally pay much less tax maybe down to 9ne percent and live cheaper and safer? Why not leave woke and femenist woman behind? Rich ladies can find many handsome gentlemen callers overseas. In other words why stick around with people that hate you and go where your treated best?
Leftyhunter

 

[rittmeister]

Maybe but they get benefits from doing so. Why not legally pay much less tax maybe down to 9ne percent and live cheaper and safer? Why not leave woke and femenist woman behind? Rich ladies can find many handsome gentlemen callers overseas. In other words why stick around with people that hate you and go where your treated best?
Leftyhunter

a flat 1% income tax for everyone gets the us bankrupt within the hour they'd announced it


... and i certainly can't see how that makes anybody live safer (or cheaper for that matter)

 

[Leftyhunter]

so funny thing is they are paying way less than in any other highly industrialized nation

it's not - do we have that discussion about your very own dictionary again?

Thirty k Americans in 2021 went where there treated best . They don't care about someone maybe paying more taxes there concerned with saving money. Only Americans , Eritreans and North Koreans are taxed on overseas income. So a rich Sweden doesn't have to pay high taxes he just moved to a low or tax jurisdiction. An American has to expaitriate and obtain a second passport.
Leftyhunter

 

[rittmeister]

Thirty k Americans in 2021 went where there treated best . They don't care about someone maybe paying more taxes there concerned with saving money. Only Americans , Eritreans and North Koreans are taxed on overseas income. So a rich Sweden doesn't have to pay high taxes he just moved to a low or tax jurisdiction. An American has to expaitriate and obtain a second passport.
Leftyhunter

those countries they expatriate to have the same quality of life, medical facillities and opera houses for their wives?

 

[Leftyhunter]

a flat 1% income tax for everyone gets the us bankrupt within the hour they'd announced it


... and i certainly can't see how that makes anybody live safer (or cheaper for that matter)

If an American is receiving one million or more dollars in income there going to loose forty to fifty percent of it to taxes although there are some tax shelter strategies. It's simpler and more prudent the way the US is headed to leave the Titanic.
There are much safer countries to live 8n then the US.
Leftyhunter

 

[Leftyhunter]

those countries they expatriate to have the same quality of life, medical facillities and opera houses for their wives?

If not better. Besides smart men don't marry.
Leftyhunter

 

[rittmeister]

If not better. Besides smart men don't marry.
Leftyhunter

you got a son in the marines, right? why don't smart men marry?


... i was not married to any mother of my three daughters (or any other woman)

 

[Leftyhunter]

Rick Wilson of the Lincoln Project explains why it is likely that Trump will be the Speaker of the House of Representatives as one need not be a member of Congress to be the Speaker. Thanks to gerrymandering which is perfectly legal per the US Supreme Court then more likely then not the Republicans will control the House and Senate by 2024 and simply accept the electors as appointed by Republican State Legislatures. All ready in Georgia a key swing state Trump supporters gained control of a county board of elections and closed six out of seven voting districts in AA areas.
It would certainly be prudent of those who oppose Trump and can afford to do obtain second passports and residency permits .
Leftyhunter

 

[rittmeister]

as trump most certainly & rightfully sees the speaker's as an inferior position to the one he already had i can't see that happening; trump doesn't do strategic - not even tactical

 

[Leftyhunter]

as trump most certainly & rightfully sees the speaker's as an inferior position to the one he already had i can't see that happening; trump doesn't do strategic - not even tactical

We shall see.
Leftyhunter

 

[rittmeister]

We shall see.
Leftyhunter

obviously

 

[Leftyhunter]

A professor who has studied many civil wars starting from 1946 states that the US is likely to have a civil war but not like civil war 1.0 it would look something like Northern Ireland or as she says like Timothy McVeigh.
She cites South Africa has a country that avoided civil war by dismantling Apartheid but she neglected to say post Apartied South Africa resulted in very high crime with high death rates mostly for non whites who can't afford private security and many of the wealthy whites fled South Africa. Recently South Africa has had major riots so hardly a shining example of democracy at its best. Definitely an argument for those who can afford to go where there treated best to do so.
Leftyhunter

 

[Leftyhunter]

https://www.amazon.com/More-Perfect...5d94e2901a511&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
Maybe the US could peacefully split up into six new countries but form something like the European Union.
Leftyhunter

 

[5fish]

https://www.amazon.com/More-Perfect...5d94e2901a511&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
Maybe the US could peacefully split up into six new countries but form something like the European Union.
Leftyhunter

This guy is full of it... This nation is not breaking along prefect lines... No, it will be like a sectarian war...

 

[Leftyhunter]

This guy is full of it... This nation is not breaking along prefect lines... No, it will be like a sectarian war...

It's more of a proposal. Civil wars are always rather messy. Texas for example actually is a majority non white state with large cities that vote reliably for Democrats. Most likely the next US civil war will be something like Northern Ireland but is could be more like El Salvador where some areas come under at least partial rebel control. The US is coming to a head. Either there is a peaceful separation or there is some kind of civil conflict.
Even Canada long an example of liberal democracy is undergoing a so far peaceful demonstrations that are destroying it's economy where the Prime Minister and his family flee in terror leaving the law abiding people in Ottawa to their fate.
Leftyhunter