Secession ? Yes please!

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Not true by any means. The US ranks ahead in the world in terms of people who believe in Angels and amount of people 7nxarcerated on a per Capita basis but not much else. The US health care ranks below Colombia. The US is way below certain countries in terms of education and much more crime then many others. The days if America being number one other then military fire power are long over. Even 8n with our over priced military the Taliban won.
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if you want to address those problems the first thing you need is more money/tax intake
 

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if you want to address those problems the first thing you need is more money/tax intake
The US has high taxes that's why many rich are fleeing the US about 30k in 2021 and no more in 2022. The US taxes almost half the income of high income people by federal income, social security and even if 9ne moves to a state without state income taxes then property taxes are simply higher. In addition there are state sales tax and user fees.
Maybe less money on a bloated miltary budget but the politicians are hooked on campaign contributions by the defense industry.
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The US has high taxes that's why many rich are fleeing the US about 30k in 2021 and no more in 2022. The US taxes almost half the income of high income people by federal income, social security and even if 9ne moves to a state without state income taxes then property taxes are simply higher. In addition there are state sales tax and user fees.
Maybe less money on a bloated miltary budget but the politicians are hooked on campaign contributions by the defense industry.
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ist that theoretical tax or tax actually paid?
 

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https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/
In terms of life expectancy the US is #46 below some developing countries.
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How does that affect smarter?
The US has high taxes that's why many rich are fleeing the US about 30k in 2021 and no more in 2022. The US taxes almost half the income of high income people by federal income, social security and even if 9ne moves to a state without state income taxes then property taxes are simply higher. In addition there are state sales tax and user fees
Without social programs, then life expectancy is low. A bit of contradiction.

SS taxes are capped at $147,000.
 

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How does that affect smarter?

Without social programs, then life expectancy is low. A bit of contradiction.

SS taxes are capped at $147,000.
Taxes are cumalitive added then all up and for high income individuals it's at least half their income. I ready addressed America's low educated standings.
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Thanks to the wealthy plutocrats, we pay the most for healthcare for the worst results. Get rid of them and life expectancy will improve.
It's not just the Plutocrats it's the corrupt politicians in their pockets. I have never defended the US healthcare system. Life expectancy is also affected by a high homicide rate, high usage of alcohol and drugs , eating unhealthy foods, not enough exercise. Not to argue the US should not copy more sucess foreign healthcare systems and arguably nationalize the pharmacutical industry that already receives government subsidies.
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Actually paid.
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got a source for that? i'm asking because that would be quite a lot more in taxes actually paid here (and arguably we are socialists) - i could bring the taxes i actually pay down by two thirds which i won't (i fired an accountant who wouldn't shut up about it), so i guess the really rich can do that, too. here and your place.
 

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got a source for that? i'm asking because that would be quite a lot more in taxes actually paid here (and arguably we are socialists) - i could bring the taxes i actually pay down by two thirds which i won't (i fired an accountant who wouldn't shut up about it), so i guess the really rich can do that, too. here and your place.
37 percent tax on income, ten percent or so depending on the state for sales tax, social security taxes, property taxes, depending on the state there are state income taxes, gasoline taxes that's fifty percent of income.
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Thanks to the wealthy plutocrats, we pay the most for healthcare for the worst results. Get rid of them and life expectancy will improve.
How do you get rid of rich people? Andrew Henderson and his competitors would love that. Already 30k people tried expatriate from the US . A nation needs rich sucessful people. Yes they should pay taxes but more rich people have to ask themselves exactly why they should since there are so many better alternatives to the US.
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37 percent tax on income, ten percent or so depending on the state for sales tax, social security taxes, property taxes, depending on the state there are state income taxes, gasoline taxes that's fifty percent of income.
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gasoline taxes don't count as income tax, property taxes neither, social security is not a tax here but a sort of mutual fund (mandatory; an invention by that godless commie bismarck) - if i count all that in i'm over 60% so don't say yours is a high tax country (especially as i'm not super rich)
A nation needs rich sucessful people.
most rich people are succesful by inheriting the cash (you may take a certain donald t as a prime example for that)

aren't those 37% from a certain incom upwards? parts of my income is in the similar 45% bracket we have here
 

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SS is not tax here either, but mandatory retirement contribution.
 
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