Secession ? Yes please!

[Leftyhunter]

Two-thirds of Southern Republicans want to secede

And that number is rising

thewhyaxis.substack.com

No country stays together for ever. Borders have changed forever. No it's not just Southern whites who want to secede far from it as the article shows. Maybe it's time for a peaceful divorce. Of course we could go the Lebanon route since that worked real well.
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[jgoodguy]

Two-thirds of Southern Republicans want to secede

And that number is rising

thewhyaxis.substack.com

No country stays together for ever. Borders have changed forever. No it's not just Southern whites who want to secede far from it as the article shows. Maybe it's time for a peaceful divorce. Of course we could go the Lebanon route since that worked real well.
Leftyhunter

Southern Republican Whites are a minority in most of those states. Be even less after Covid runs its course.

 

[Leftyhunter]

Southern Republican Whites are a minority in most of those states. Be even less after Covid runs its course.

Southern whites were a minority in the US in 1861 but that didn't stop them. Secession need not be violent has was the case when Czechoslovakia broke up in the 1990s.
The Indians did not use violence to obtain independence from the UK although yes Chandar Bose did lead the Indian Liberation Army but that didn't work out great. There are non violent ways to achieve independence.
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[Leftyhunter]

Southern Republican Whites are a minority in most of those states. Be even less after Covid runs its course.

I would not get my hopes up on Covid. Covid kills plenty of Democrats . The US has over 330 million people so 650k US deaths is at best a tiny fraction of the US population.
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[jgoodguy]

Southern whites were a minority in the US in 1861 but that didn't stop them. Secession need not be violent has was the case when Czechoslovakia broke up in the 1990s.
The Indians did not use violence to obtain independence from the UK although yes Chandar Bose did lead the Indian Liberation Army but that didn't work out great. There are non violent ways to achieve independence.
Leftyhunter

The 1861 secessionist did not succeed, in a large part because they were a minority.

I doubt the rabid republicans would embrace non violence.

 

[jgoodguy]

I would not get my hopes up on Covid. Covid kills plenty of Democrats . The US has over 330 million people so 650k US deaths is at best a tiny fraction of the US population.
Leftyhunter

Covid is currently killing republicans at a far greater rate.
I am hopeful.

 

[Leftyhunter]

Covid is currently killing republicans at a far greater rate.
I am hopeful.

I am not aware of any statician that has studied the political affiliation of Covid victims. Quite a few AAs refused to get vacinaterd.
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[Leftyhunter]

The 1861 secessionist did not succeed, in a large part because they were a minority.

I doubt the rabid republicans would embrace non violence.

True but as the article states many Libs want Secession to. Nothing is harder to predict then the future but as America becomes increasingly gridlocked more Americans might seek a peaceful seperation.
Leftyhunter

 

[jgoodguy]

True but as the article states many Libs want Secession to. Nothing is harder to predict then the future but as America becomes increasingly gridlocked more Americans might seek a peaceful seperation.
Leftyhunter

In GOP areas, the poll question never asked, is will you support secession if your taxes go up, and you lose social security.

 

[Leftyhunter]

In GOP areas, the poll question never asked, is will you support secession if your taxes go up, and you lose social security.

True and that's an interesting question. Also I resolved is how Secession actually works. Yes Texas is a reliable Republican State it the heavily populated cities are very Blue. Many of the high income jobs are in Houston, Dallas- Ft. Worth and Austin. What if does areas don't want to secede? Would AAs in the South go back to Jim Crow? Secession is not going to be simple .
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[jgoodguy]

True and that's an interesting question. Also I resolved is how Secession actually works. Yes Texas is a reliable Republican State it the heavily populated cities are very Blue. Many of the high income jobs are in Houston, Dallas- Ft. Worth and Austin. What if does areas don't want to secede? Would AAs in the South go back to Jim Crow? Secession is not going to be simple .
Leftyhunter

Have to remember that the 1861 secession was rushed so folks would not think. Thinking sunk the 1850 attempt.

 

[Leftyhunter]

Have to remember that the 1861 secession was rushed so folks would not think. Thinking sunk the 1850 attempt.

I am thinking that come November 4th 2024 the rubber hits the road. As things stand now Trump has already declared or hinted rather strongly that he will run for president. Obviously he could be dead or in prison by then but if he's not then he running. Trump may not loose due to various restrictions on voting in Republican states. The US Supreme Court is a partisan court so no help there.
Win or loose there will be a lot of unhappy campers. Something most likely has to give.
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[Leftyhunter]

Have to remember that the 1861 secession was rushed so folks would not think. Thinking sunk the 1850 attempt.

https://centerforpolitics.org/cryst...stent-divides-between-biden-and-trump-voters/
It appears support is growing for Secession by both Dems and the GQP ( Grand Quanon Party).
Not to say the US will split up or how it will look but not to recently Secession was never mentioned now it is.
Leftyhunter

 

[jgoodguy]

https://centerforpolitics.org/cryst...stent-divides-between-biden-and-trump-voters/
It appears support is growing for Secession by both Dems and the GQP ( Grand Quanon Party).
Not to say the US will split up or how it will look but not to recently Secession was never mentioned now it is.
Leftyhunter

Never lived in the South did you.

 

[Leftyhunter]

Never lived in the South did you.

Well then the Southern whites who do so have just been talking trash and not doing anything about it. If the Orange Furer can't steal the next presidential election ( there's an excellent chance he will since now some state legislatures get to decide who wins regardless of the actual vote plus laws to make voting difficult) then maybe Southern whites can have ACW 2.0.
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[5fish]

https://centerforpolitics.org/cryst...stent-divides-between-biden-and-trump-voters/
It appears support is growing for Secession by both Dems and the GQP ( Grand Quanon Party).
Not to say the US will split up or how it will look but not to recently Secession was never mentioned now it is.
Leftyhunter

Nice link... the Democrats will not push to secede... It has only been Republicans and the right that use the word secession... Our politics are moving towards sectarianism... which means violence can and may happen down the road... Northern Ireland...

3 things driving the ‘ascendance of political hatred’ in America

New research in the journal Science delves into the rise of moral superiority and political sectarianism in America -- and how to fix it.

journalistsresource.org

snip... moral right

Political scientists in recent years have used various terms to describe America’s deep political divide, including “affective polarization,” “social polarization” and “tribalism.” The authors of a new paper in Science settle on “sectarianism” as most reflective of the current political state, in which Democrats and Republicans dislike members of the other party more than they like members of their own.

“The existing words don’t incorporate the moral component,” says Northwestern University social psychology professor Eli Finkel, one of the paper’s 15 authors. “They don’t fully capture this idea that our views are morally right in this absolute sense.”

The core of tribalism, for example, is kinship — members of a tribalistic group feel a familial bond with one another. The core of sectarianism, by contrast, is religion, faith and “moral correctness and superiority of one’s sect,” the authors explain.

In other words, a political sect isn’t bonded in the way that a family is — a brother and sister might drive each other crazy but still innately love each other and remain bonded by blood. The authors argue that American political sects are bonded by faith that their side is morally superior to the other — echoing the ties that sometimes bind the religiously faithful. The effect is that politicians have little incentive to represent all their constituents in policy and lawmaking, since political sectarians rarely cross the aisle to vote for candidates outside their party.

Here is this Hate for the other Side... a wonkish paper...

https://pcl.stanford.edu/research/2020/finkel-science-political.pdf

 

[jgoodguy]

Well then the Southern whites who do so have just been talking trash and not doing anything about it. If the Orange Furer can't steal the next presidential election ( there's an excellent chance he will since now some state legislatures get to decide who wins regardless of the actual vote plus laws to make voting difficult) then maybe Southern whites can have ACW 2.0.
Leftyhunter

Personally IMHO anyone that yacks about secession is talking trash. All it takes to squash it is to publish the costs.

 

[Tom]

If the Red States seceded where would the Blue Shi...States get their oil and food?

 

[Leftyhunter]

If the Red States seceded where would the Blue Shi...States get their oil and food?

Where would the Red States sell food and oil to if not the Blue States? US agriculture has been subsidized by the US government since the New Deal over eighty years. The US government even subsidized US wheat growers by paying them to ship grain to the Soviet's and even Syria when the US was engaging in active hostiles against Syria in 1983.
Why does Secession mean blue vs Red States. Why would not the so called Blue States include those parts of the South in particular Texas and North Carolina that reliably vote for the Democratic Party. Much of the South in fact Texas is already majority non European white.
Would a future Republic of the Baby Jesus be all white or majority white? Would a future Bubastan bring back Apartied?
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[Leftyhunter]

Personally IMHO anyone that yacks about secession is talking trash. All it takes to squash it is to publish the costs.

It didn't work last time. Secession is a slippery slope but the US is far from united as recent events showed. There will be a presidential election 2024 and unless the sweet baby Jesus calls the Orange Furer home the results of that election will regardless of the results lead to great bitterness.
All we know is there are three men praying hard every day for Baby Jesus to bring the Orange Furer to his heavenly reward ; Ted " Cancun " Cruz, Josh " just an average guy " Hawley and Ron " Covid is harmless " DeSaten De Santis.
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