Secession is Legally Nothing and Needs no Repealing... Abe Lincoln...

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It seems this conversation is why no states ever repealed their Ordinance of Secession... I added the Booth event to show that they had crossed paths before...


November 9, 1863

President and Mrs. Lincoln go to Ford’s Theater with aides John G. Nicolay and John Hay, who writes: “J. Wilkes Booth was doing ‘the Marble Heart.’ Rather tame than otherwise.”

November 12, 1863
- In response to former Louisiana Congressman Benjamin Flanders, Lincoln states "...the act of secession is legally nothing and needs no repealing."


Here is the whole tale...

Regarding reconstruction in Louisiana, President Lincoln writes Benjamin F. Flanders, a New Orleans politician who had briefly served in Congress earlier in the year. Flanders had been appointed Special Agent of the United States Treasury Department in August. Lincoln wrote: “In a conversation with Gen. Butler he made a suggestion which impressed me a good deal at the time. It was that, as a preliminary step, a vote be taken, yea or nay, whether there shall be a State convention to repeal the Ordinance of secession, and remodel the State constitution. I send it merely as a suggestion for your consideration, not having considered it maturely myself. The point which impressed me was, not so much the questions to be voted on, as the effect of chrystallizing, so to speak, in taking such popular vote on any proper question. In fact, I have always thought the act of secession is legally nothing, and needs no repealing. Turn the thought over in your mind, and see if in your own judgment, you can make any thing of it.

It means secession was always illegal from day one...
 

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It seems this conversation is why no states ever repealed their Ordinance of Secession... I added the Booth event to show that they had crossed paths before...


November 9, 1863

President and Mrs. Lincoln go to Ford’s Theater with aides John G. Nicolay and John Hay, who writes: “J. Wilkes Booth was doing ‘the Marble Heart.’ Rather tame than otherwise.”

November 12, 1863
- In response to former Louisiana Congressman Benjamin Flanders, Lincoln states "...the act of secession is legally nothing and needs no repealing."


Here is the whole tale...

Regarding reconstruction in Louisiana, President Lincoln writes Benjamin F. Flanders, a New Orleans politician who had briefly served in Congress earlier in the year. Flanders had been appointed Special Agent of the United States Treasury Department in August. Lincoln wrote: “In a conversation with Gen. Butler he made a suggestion which impressed me a good deal at the time. It was that, as a preliminary step, a vote be taken, yea or nay, whether there shall be a State convention to repeal the Ordinance of secession, and remodel the State constitution. I send it merely as a suggestion for your consideration, not having considered it maturely myself. The point which impressed me was, not so much the questions to be voted on, as the effect of chrystallizing, so to speak, in taking such popular vote on any proper question. In fact, I have always thought the act of secession is legally nothing, and needs no repealing. Turn the thought over in your mind, and see if in your own judgment, you can make any thing of it.

It means secession was always illegal from day one...
And the Secessionists knew that that's why they used violence and not the courts to argue secession is legal. Unfortunately despite hundreds of thousands of black Confederate troops the Confedracy somehow lost.
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