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sitting around cleaning them guns?Good point, how many blacks were in ranks and carrying rifles or muskets?
sitting around cleaning them guns?Good point, how many blacks were in ranks and carrying rifles or muskets?
I suppose gun cleaning to some is evidence of being a soldier.sitting around cleaning them guns?
Yet he was not in the Confederate camp and had to observe from a distance, meaning he had no idea the actual status of those blacks he saw. He was not privvy to the muster roll in the camp, not having any spies in the camp to verify anything he saw....he was seeing Jackson in the lead and is a soldier and saw man were armed and was seeing this with his own eyes not with spies ...
Also I beleive he was a prisoner but could be wrong. There are plenty of other accounts as well.Yet he was not in the Confederate camp and had to observe from a distance, meaning he had no idea the actual status of those blacks he saw. He was not privvy to the muster roll in the camp, not having any spies in the camp to verify anything he saw.
This could even be a "straw man" situation then -- fool the enemy with log "cannons," lighting more campfires at night, or ordering all the servants in camp to borrow gear and parade out in plain view of the enemy -- what else besides such a ruse would explain why "5000" of any sort of troops would make themselves so conspicuous in front of the enemy? 5000 at one time? Suspicious, but such ruses were occasionally used and some were successful.
Not saying that happened, but as a careful student of the Civil War how about being a bit suspect of any single observer's comments -- many of them made post-war -- without corroborating accounts from any one of the dozens or more Union officers/observers also present at that event, or having paper evidence of some sort, like a payroll of the Confederate unit in question showing 5000 or more black soldiers on the payroll (if they weren't being paid as soldiers they weren't "Black Confederates" but servants, yes?. Again, oops).
And as a careful student of the Civil War, how about setting aside what one wants the situation to have been to prove a point "that the war wasn't over slavery because blacks themselves were fighting against Yankee invasion." It fools no one that's the purpose behind "Black Confederates," hence the yuks over it.
Cute, oh great and wise keeper of Reinheitsgebot.definitely a Black confederate
There is one black Confederate, brigadier general at that, and that's this guy:
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Not that Gen Randall Lee Gibson claimed it!
Very interesting. He looks like he could definatley pass for white.
There is one black Confederate, brigadier general at that, and that's this guy:
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Not that Gen Randall Lee Gibson claimed it!
That wouldn't be surprising. As everybody knows there were hundreds of blacks in the Confederate camps, some of them armed (with the permission of their masters or the commander in place). No big deal, as anyone near the front was inclined to arm themselves -- wagon masters, mule skinners, even nurses on occasion....There are plenty of other accounts as well.
This is not remotely a period document, which we know because the term "Black Confederates" was never used at the time. If you don't have a period muster roll or pay roll indicating legions of black Confederate soldiers you don't have it. This is not the place to be winging-it.[image of soldier list]...It does say privates for some so here it is and I don't recall muster roles mentioning race so that makes things a bit harder except when others have already found them and compiled the names like this.
I have time to read them.Also I beleive he was a prisoner but could be wrong. There are plenty of other accounts as well.
I count 4 possibles, the privates. However, cooks were carried on a roster as private for accounting and victualing reasons. I think I have the CSRs for these guys. The names look familiar.View attachment 2811It does say privates for some so here it is and I don't recall muster roles mentioning race so that makes things a bit harder except when others have already found them and compiled the names like this.
Me too, JGG. Ain't retirement fun?!I have time to read them.
Now...thereby hangs a tale! Some of those photos have been reworked to make Varina look more non-white, but they really didn't need to do that. The first time I saw her photo (unretouched) I wondered if she was Indian. Her dad was from NJ - could been Delaware!and while we are at it
The Wife of Confederate President Jefferson Davis, was an African American woman
The Ethnic Origins of Confederate First Lady Varina Howell Davis, Wife of Jefferson Davis. (Dated article from robots in masquerade dot blogspot dot com) Picture above of Jefferson Davis and his ne…chiniquy.wordpress.com
Muster roles didn't indicate race as I've mentioned. They weren't all in a large mass most were integrated in the army and spread out. I'm sure you know that and you can continue to say oh well there not really soldiers and continue to question quotes from witnesses but from the one you have seen you question it but can't dismiss it as fad as you put it. Now I'll be quite busy today and this weekend but next week starting Monday I will show you more quotes and evidence then.This is not remotely a period document, which we know because the term "Black Confederates" was never used at the time. If you don't have a period muster roll or pay roll indicating legions of black Confederate soldiers you don't have it. This is not the place to be winging-it.
Even at that, I see that only three on this list even have an Army rank. No one has ever disputed that there were many black body servants, musicians or cooks. This would include such as "Black Confederates"? The bar continues to lower.
Respectfully; embrace the doubt, abandon the fad and let's get back to talking about the Civil War as it was, inventing nothing.
For the very simple reason that all the men on the muster rolls who were soldiers were white. No need to indicate race.Muster roles didn't indicate race as I've mentioned