General Lee
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“If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers separation . . . to a continuance in union . . . I have no hesitation in saying, ‘let us separate.’” (Thomas Jefferson). This quote says a lot. We had a war for independence starting 1776 when we declared our independence with Jefferson writing the document or helping you could say depending on your view. We had a war for seperation and I feel that when Lincoln denied it to the secesh states that that was wrong and seams like a very King George type of move. I also don't believe that Lincoln bothered fighting secesion for slavery and here's why " ““I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; while they do remain together there must be a position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.” (Abraham Lincoln, September 18, 1858) here is another one “... my paramount object is in this struggle is to save the Union and is not either to save or destroy slavery” (Lincoln). Also, not all states seceded at the same time North Carolina, Virginia, Arkansas, and Tennessee seceded last as a result of Lincoln's hasty 75,000-man invasion force so now Northern aggression comes into play. I also say that if many Black men slave or free willingly served and did it proudly like many did and here are some quotes supporting that " “There are at the present moment, many colored men in the Confederate Army doing duty not only as cooks, servants, and laborers, but as real soldiers, having muskets on their shoulders and bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down loyal troops and do all that soldiers may do to destroy the Federal government and build up that of the traitors and rebels. (Fredrick Douglass), however I disagree with one thing how he says they would destroy the North, that’s a very poor claim because the Confederates fought a defensive war for their freedom. And here’s another quote from abolitionist ( Horace Greeley “For more than two years, Negroes had been extensively employed in belligerent operations by the Confederacy. They had been embodied and drilled as rebel soldiers and had paraded with white troops at a time when this would not have been tolerated in the armies of the Union. (Horace Greeley) “Tennessee in June 1861 became the first in the South to legislate the use of free black soldiers.
The governor was authorized to enroll those between the ages of fifteen and fifty, to be paid $18 a month and the same rations and clothing as white soldiers; the black men appeared in two black regiments in Memphis by September. (Ervin L. Jordan, Jr.). This next quote is the observation from a Union officer seeing Stonewall Jackson's Army which numbered around 15,000 to 18,000 troops “Over 3,000 Negroes must be included in the number. . . . They had arms, rifles, muskets, sabers,
bowie-knives, dirks, etc. They were supplied, in many instances, with knapsacks, haversacks, canteens, etc., and they were manifestly an integral portion of the Southern Confederacy army. They were seen riding on horses and mules, driving wagons, riding on caissons, in ambulances, with the staff of generals and promiscuously mixed up with all the Rebel horde”. (Capt. Isaac Heysinger). So, as you can see many Black men fought for the South and this is a truth many try to
silence because like everything else I wrote proves that the North fighting to end slavery is a false narrative and an attempt to justify the war. However, in the Union Army Blacks were treated worse, getting less pay and they were forced in segregated units with their separate pay and in the Confederate Army pay was equal and pay was based on the job. Many Union men wondered why they saw so many Black Confederates and no Black Yankees on their side in the beginning and here's a quote about rank “At least one Black Confederate was a non-commissioned officer. James Washington, Co. D 34th Texas Cavalry, "Terrell's Texas Cavalry" became it's 3rd Sergeant. In comparison, The highest-ranking Black Union soldier during the war was a Sergeant Major.” And here’s one about pay (Free black musicians, cooks, soldiers and teamsters earned the same pay as white confederate privates. This was not the case in the Union army where blacks did not receive equal pay. At the Confederate Buffalo Forge in Rockbridge County, Virginia, skilled black workers "earned on average three times the wages of white Confederate soldiers and more than most Confederate army officers ($350- $600 a year). Yet again in this next quote my point is made about Union treatment of Black people “Union General U.S. Grant in Feb 1865, ordered the capture of "all the Negro men… before the enemy can put them in their ranks." Frederick Douglas warned Lincoln that unless slaves were guaranteed freedom (those in Union controlled areas were still slaves) and land bounties, "they would take up arms for the rebels". You may find this one surprising: “Hames Ward, a slave who fled "Yankeedom" to warn his fellow slaves of abuse and racism in Union army camps and of blacks being forced to the front lines during battles. He preferred being the slave of "the meanest masters in the South" than a free black man in the North: "If this is freedom, give me slavery forever." That's all very powerful information and evidence, so I say the war wasn't about slavery and that the right to independence shouldn't be denied.
The governor was authorized to enroll those between the ages of fifteen and fifty, to be paid $18 a month and the same rations and clothing as white soldiers; the black men appeared in two black regiments in Memphis by September. (Ervin L. Jordan, Jr.). This next quote is the observation from a Union officer seeing Stonewall Jackson's Army which numbered around 15,000 to 18,000 troops “Over 3,000 Negroes must be included in the number. . . . They had arms, rifles, muskets, sabers,
bowie-knives, dirks, etc. They were supplied, in many instances, with knapsacks, haversacks, canteens, etc., and they were manifestly an integral portion of the Southern Confederacy army. They were seen riding on horses and mules, driving wagons, riding on caissons, in ambulances, with the staff of generals and promiscuously mixed up with all the Rebel horde”. (Capt. Isaac Heysinger). So, as you can see many Black men fought for the South and this is a truth many try to
silence because like everything else I wrote proves that the North fighting to end slavery is a false narrative and an attempt to justify the war. However, in the Union Army Blacks were treated worse, getting less pay and they were forced in segregated units with their separate pay and in the Confederate Army pay was equal and pay was based on the job. Many Union men wondered why they saw so many Black Confederates and no Black Yankees on their side in the beginning and here's a quote about rank “At least one Black Confederate was a non-commissioned officer. James Washington, Co. D 34th Texas Cavalry, "Terrell's Texas Cavalry" became it's 3rd Sergeant. In comparison, The highest-ranking Black Union soldier during the war was a Sergeant Major.” And here’s one about pay (Free black musicians, cooks, soldiers and teamsters earned the same pay as white confederate privates. This was not the case in the Union army where blacks did not receive equal pay. At the Confederate Buffalo Forge in Rockbridge County, Virginia, skilled black workers "earned on average three times the wages of white Confederate soldiers and more than most Confederate army officers ($350- $600 a year). Yet again in this next quote my point is made about Union treatment of Black people “Union General U.S. Grant in Feb 1865, ordered the capture of "all the Negro men… before the enemy can put them in their ranks." Frederick Douglas warned Lincoln that unless slaves were guaranteed freedom (those in Union controlled areas were still slaves) and land bounties, "they would take up arms for the rebels". You may find this one surprising: “Hames Ward, a slave who fled "Yankeedom" to warn his fellow slaves of abuse and racism in Union army camps and of blacks being forced to the front lines during battles. He preferred being the slave of "the meanest masters in the South" than a free black man in the North: "If this is freedom, give me slavery forever." That's all very powerful information and evidence, so I say the war wasn't about slavery and that the right to independence shouldn't be denied.