Russia and US Civil War

nicholls

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Not much is talked about the Russian role in the Civil War. I think it should be discussed more.


 

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that doesn't belong here - i'll move it. general discussion is for non civil war stuff. i'll put it in politics and politicians of the civil war for now but i need to discuss a the civil war and the world with the boss. cop.gif
 

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Good place for this thread.
I like the topic. I'd like to see some more discussion.

Maybe a new forum in the future if we get enough interest.
 

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I read an interesting book about the relationship between Russia and the Union during the Civil War. The Russian ambassador, while horrified by democracy and convinced until late 1864 that the South would win, offered an fascinating view of the Civil War and its impact on European politics.
 

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Russia still had interest in California even though they had given up their claims to the area around Ft Ross. Think the czar was interested in pushing the empire east and that gold in California caught everybody's eye.

I'm all for a new forum about the rest of the world and the CW!
 

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Russia still had interest in California even though they had given up their claims to the area around Ft Ross. Think the czar was interested in pushing the empire east and that gold in California caught everybody's eye.

I'm all for a new forum about the rest of the world and the CW!
we need threads for that

... and injuns don't count as the rest of the world party.gif
 

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This is true - been stuck up a creek in the high country too long!

Siam was interested in the CW, so was Japan. We should discuss all that. (But you're right - if there's to be a new forum there should be something to put in it...)
 

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Here this tidbit...

1863-1864 Russian Fleet Expedition to North America
This American expedition became a military demonstration by Russia during the U.S. Civil War. England and France advocated for the southern rebels. Russia held a friendly position in respect to the federal government in the North. It increased hostility toward Russia on the part of England and France, which strove for loosening its international influence. The Russian government decided to send two ship squadrons to the US to demonstrate support for the northerners, as well as to create a potential threat to marine communications of England and France in order to make them refuse assistance to the South States.

The Russian squadrons set out towards the coast of North America in the second half of 1863. The Atlantic squadron commanded by rear admiral S.S. Lesovskii (frigate "Aleksandr Nevsky", "Peresvet", "Osliabia", corvettes "Variag", "Vitiaz" and clipper "Almaz") departed from the Russian port of Kronshtadt and went to New York. Another squadron - Pacific - was commanded by rear admiral A.A. Popov (corvettes "Bogatyr", "Kalevala", "Rynda", "Novik", clippers "Abrek" and "Gaidamak"). They went from the ports of the Far East and set out to San Francisco. In September 1863, the squadron of Lesovskii arrived at the port of New York, and the squadron of Popov - to the port of San Francisco. The Russian squadrons stayed in these ports of North America and sailed near its West and East coasts until August 1864. Individual ships of the Atlantic squadron, which were based in New York, visited Baltimore, Annapolis, Hampton, the Caribbean sea, the gulf of Mexico, Cuba, Honduras, Havana, Jamaica, Curasao, Cartagena, Bermuda islands and Aspinwall. The ships of the Pacific Ocean squadron had were based in San Francisco and went for practical sailing to Honolulu, the South hemisphere, Sitka and Vancouver. Russian navy seamen showed high naval
skills, discipline and good organization during these voyages.
The Atlantic squadron returned to Russia late July. The Pacific squadron returned in August 1864. The appearance of the Russian squadrons off the coasts of America caused a great political reaction and forced England and France to change their positions in respect to Russia and the Northern states of America. In 1866, the government of the US sent a ship detachment with special deputation. This detachment officially expressed gratitude to the Russian government for assistance to the northerners in their struggle against slavery.
 

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The main reason that the Russian "fleets" took flight was the fear of being bottled up in frozen rooskie harbors due to the tensions w/ Britain and France. Their supposed might was a minuscule threat, propaganda maybe, otherwise you are just a' whistlin' Dixie.
 

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The one certainty is that not coming would not have helped the Union cause. How much it helped by coming is debatable.
 
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