Reeducation Camps(Gulags)?

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Its the end of May 1865 and the Republican Radicals along with the backing of a group of union generals pass legislation and force President Johnson to sign into law that orders the capture and the detention of all confederate officers above LT. Col. and selected confederate political official, without trial.

The purpose of the detentions was to reeducate them above Constitution and paid for their crimes against the federal state.

The union army stated building camps in the Western territories and throughout the south, the Union army began rounding up the appropriate confederate criminals. Within weeks numerous camps began to fill up. The confederates like Lee, Davis, Longstreet, D. Hill, and many more lesser-known ones as well are being re-educated out in the Western lands

These camps or Gulags were not a prison or prison camps but reeducation camps with indoctrination in the Constitution and hard labor to repent for their traitorous acts. These Gulags were run by the Color Troop regiments to remind these confederate criminals of slavery's evils...

As the years past the law was expanded to include any Southern that became disruptive or hostel toward Federal rule in the south.

Think how better off Reconstruction would have been with the leadership of the failed Confederacy had been shipped off to Gulags in the west.

What if the Federal Government had created Reeducation Camps(Gulags?
 

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Its the end of May 1865 and the Republican Radicals along with the backing of a group of union generals pass legislation and force President Johnson to sign into law that orders the capture and the detention of all confederate officers above LT. Col. and selected confederate political official, without trial.

The purpose of the detentions was to reeducate them above Constitution and paid for their crimes against the federal state.

The union army stated building camps in the Western territories and throughout the south, the Union army began rounding up the appropriate confederate criminals. Within weeks numerous camps began to fill up. The confederates like Lee, Davis, Longstreet, D. Hill, and many more lesser-known ones as well are being re-educated out in the Western lands

These camps or Gulags were not a prison or prison camps but reeducation camps with indoctrination in the Constitution and hard labor to repent for their traitorous acts. These Gulags were run by the Color Troop regiments to remind these confederate criminals of slavery's evils...

As the years past the law was expanded to include any Southern that became disruptive or hostel toward Federal rule in the south.

Think how better off Reconstruction would have been with the leadership of the failed Confederacy had been shipped off to Gulags in the west.

What if the Federal Government had created Reeducation Camps(Gulags?
The Vietnamese communists must of studied the ACW because they had reeducation camps and they worked very well . Unlike the Americans there are no statues or heritage societies to cmemorate those who fought for South Vietnam.
Vietnamese reeducation camps were for anyone deemed in need of reeducation.
Of course reeducation camps would face serious legal issues in the US that's one reason why they weren't established.
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Of course reeducation camps would face serious legal issues in the US that's one reason why they weren't established.
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The spoils of war, their Confederate lives were forfeit...
 

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Again not legally doable in the US. The US is not Vietnam.
WE are talking about the 19th century... We are talking about a war that took so many lives... I think the public would have more than the stomach for Gulags full of traitorous Confederates... ,
 

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tell that to george takei
Detention Camps are not reeducation camps. Japanese Americans by mid war were offered a chance to relocate to the Midwest. I not defending what the US did but it doesn't compare to what the Communist Vietnamese did.
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WE are talking about the 19th century... We are talking about a war that took so many lives... I think the public would have more than the stomach for Gulags full of traitorous Confederates... ,
It didn't happen and that's not an accident.
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It didn't happen and that's not an accident.
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I believe reeducation camps were a 20th-century creation... Our nation did have a history of slavery but not one of labour camps. If I had been around I would have marched those Confederate traitors right into them... I would have put them all out west. Lee would have died in obscurity...
 

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I believe reeducation camps were a 20th-century creation... Our nation did have a history of slavery but not one of labour camps. If I had been around I would have marched those Confederate traitors right into them... I would have put them all out west. Lee would have died in obscurity...
You need a new Constitution as well. No doubt Ho Chi Minh and his generation of Communist leadership studied the ACW. They certainly seemed to understand the mistakes the US made during Reconstruction. It's called hindsight.
Hi Chi Minh was known to study US History has he was fluent in French so he could read many books about the American Revolution.
On the other hand the Communist Vietnamese were not going to be bound by US style jurisprudence.
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I believe reeducation camps were a 20th-century creation... Our nation did have a history of slavery but not one of labour camps. If I had been around I would have marched those Confederate traitors right into them... I would have put them all out west. Lee would have died in obscurity...
The biggest mistake of Reconstruction was not having a large well armed milita of former USCT troopers and Unionist soldiers backed by the US Army as overwatch. White terrorist groups didn't do well against organized armed opposition but unfortunately they only rarely encountered such.
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he biggest mistake of Reconstruction was not having a large well-armed militia of former USCT troopers
This may be right but think about 1860s even in the North if X-slaves started shooting white people even in self-defense there would have been an outcry even by white people in the North. They would have questioned the decision to free the slaves in the first place... If X-slaves had started killing whites it would have gotten even uglier than it did get for them after the war.
 

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This may be right but think about 1860s even in the North if X-slaves started shooting white people even in self-defense there would have been an outcry even by white people in the North. They would have questioned the decision to free the slaves in the first place... If X-slaves had started killing whites it would have gotten even uglier than it did get for them after the war.
There was black Milita in the South during Reconstruction. In fact former Confederate General Longstreet commanded some fighting the Red Shirts in Louisiana briefly.
The basic problem during Reconstruction was the anti white terrorist militas were generally not well equipped and in sufficient numbers.
Basically there was a low level insurgency waged by former Confederate soldiers dedicated to maintaining white supremacy.
The terrorists were not always successful when confronting armed opposition. However the federal government did not assign sufficient resources so the terrorists won.
In the history of counterinsurgency insurgents can only be beaten by local indigenous counterinsurgency forces that are well trained and highly motivated. Also if said local counterinsurgency forces do some killing and torturing on the side that's just boys being boys.
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This may be right but think about 1860s even in the North if X-slaves started shooting white people even in self-defense there would have been an outcry even by white people in the North. They would have questioned the decision to free the slaves in the first place... If X-slaves had started killing whites it would have gotten even uglier than it did get for them after the war.
All insurgency wars involve killing civilians. How many depends on the circumstances . Arguably the British in Northern Ireland during the troubles of 1969 to 1992 killed the least amount of civilians in a counterinsurgency war but shits going to happen.
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All insurgency wars involve killing civilians.
My read of American history in the late 1860s the white population in either the North or South would not have supported Black men shooting and killing White men, even in self defense.

I want to point we had adminstration the closed papers, had political prisoners, and wire taped teligraph lines. I think throwing a bunch of traitor's in camps out west would not have caused a Consitutional crisis...
 

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My read of American history in the late 1860s the white population in either the North or South would not have supported Black men shooting and killing White men, even in self defense.

I want to point we had adminstration the closed papers, had political prisoners, and wire taped teligraph lines. I think throwing a bunch of traitor's in camps out west would not have caused a Consitutional crisis...
There was actually black Milita in the South during Reconstruction but they didn't engage the white terrorist groups often but they definitely fired some shots in Louisiana. My point is that the US did not engage in an effective counterinsurgency campaign during Reconstruction. This was more through apathy then white people in the .North caring about Southern blacks shooting Southern whites in self defense.
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What if the Federal Government had created Reeducation Camps(Gulags?)
by the time there were three possible outcomes

1) charging them in court and let the courts do the work

2) beheading (or in the US hanging)

3) paroling (in Your case giving that oath)

no 3 was the likliest
 

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I read about ones in South Carolina... they got into a firefight not good for them...
It would of taken a much more serious and supstained effort to beat the white Southern terrorist groups.
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I found this tidbit.... it happened... Lincoln's gulag Ft. Lafayette...

This statement is half truth and half lie. Lincoln certainly did unconstitutionally suspend habeas corpus. But the tens of thousands of Northern citizens who were imprisoned without due process by the Lincoln administration (as many as 38,000 by one estimate in the Columbia Law Journal) were overwhelmingly plain citizens from all walks of life who simply expressed doubt over the administration’s unconstitutional and despotic policies, including the shutting down of more than 300 opposition newspapers and the mass arrest of political dissenters by the military. Tens of thousands of Northern political prisoners spent months in a series of gulags, such as Fort Lafayette in New York Harbor, which came to be known as "the American Bastille."

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The Lincoln administration cast a very wide net indeed in rounding up any and all political opponents in the Northern states. Anyone overheard questioning virtually anything the administration had done, let alone publishing critical articles or editorials in newspapers, could land in prison without any due process. In fact, Lincoln himself even argued that those who simply remained silent and did not actively support his administration should also be subject to imprisonment. In his own words:

The man who stands by and says nothing when the peril of his Government is discussed cannot be misunderstood. If not hindered, he is sure to help the enemy; much more if he talks ambiguously — talks for his country with “buts” and “ifs” and “ands." (Collected Works of Lincoln, vol. 6, pp. 264—265
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Free speech was illegal for the duration of the Lincoln administration. That’s how modern historians and propagandists get away with lying to the public about the alleged "unity" of Northern opinion during the war. Of course there was relative "unity"; dissenting opinions were violently censored and the purveyors of those opinions imprisoned.

He writes that he prisoners were "herded onto the island" in New York Harbor where they were given iron beds with "mattresses" of straw or moss to sleep in and "food" that consisted of such things as "some discolored beverage" that smelled a little like coffee to go along with "fat pork, sometimes raw and sometimes half cooked" (p. 282). "On some days a glass of water would contain a dozen tadpoles from one-quarter to one-half inch long without counting the smaller fish" (

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The political prisoners in Fort Lafayette ranged from mayors, state legislators, ex-governors, business owners and newspaper editors, to "common traders and impoverished farmers." These men were naturally bitter about their circumstances and were outspoken about it. Consequently, writes Sprague, "Fort Lafayette was the only place in the country where a man could speak freely"

As word of Lincoln’s gulag in New York harbor spread, the prison "cast its shadow over the entire North," writes Sprague (p. 287). "It became a kind of American Bastille, its name on everyone’s lips. As such, it was a weapon in the hands of the Lincoln administration, a weapon that was used to dominate the North, and to establish the fact that the federal government was the greatest power in the nation" (emphasis added).

LINK: from your favorite Civil war writer Thomas DiLorenzo ... https://www.lewrockwell.com/2004/09/thomas-dilorenzo/the-american-gulag/
 
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