Rape in the Civil War

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byron ed

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if i follow your argumentation i need to call a gladiator in ancient rome a sportsman..
?? I've never argued that a gladiator in ancient rome is a sportsman. Where are you going with that one?
 
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he'll probably shoot you for

a) not understanding the term​
b) considering it an insult anyway​



a woman's chances to beeing raped are widely diminished if the would-be perp considers her his equal and not some piece of fresh (or fine) meat
Agreed x2.
 

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?? I've never argued that a gladiator in ancient rome is a sportsman. Where are you going with that one?
the romans did that, mr ed - if i have to apply what people thought at the time ... you see were i'm getting with this. i reserve the right to call what happened then a butchery.
 

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...you're having to apply what people thought at the time? Explain.
you are doing exactly that with your post modern nonsense - we are all post modern talking about the civil war because we are living in post modern times even our stone age members (sorry @diane, huhu @5fish)
 

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...you're having to apply what people thought at the time? Explain.



uh ...ok, what happened then was a butchery.
Way to be post modern with your psychobabble for social acceptance.

Also I missed your comment where you said

As far as they were concerned they weren't raped by "sexism;" they were raped by a brutal attacker.
Then stop saying they were raped by lust or opportunism rather than a brutal attacker.

So many double standards.
 

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not viewing her like that is the textbook definition of sexism, don't you think?
Is there a term for people insisting on long form explanations than single word terms with commonly used explanations?

I guess that would make byron a sexistist.
 

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As far as women of color, any color, went it was automatically easier to get away with this type of crime. Free or not. The miners in California always formed squaw hunting parties, the objective being to take as many Indian women as they could and keep them. This usually involved killing the men trying to protect them and stealing the children as it was legal to obtain a kid for labor by killing the parents. You could collect the bounty, too. The slave had at least the pretense of some type of protection with the legal system - slave rape was against the law - but getting the rapist charged and convicted was nearly impossible. At best, your owner could sue for damage to his property. There was also the idiot notion, very prevalent then and for some time further into the next century, that women of color were loose anyway. One of the several lynchings that took place in mining towns was one in Downieville, where a Mexican woman stabbed her rapist and was hung for defending herself. Apparently, self-defense was not applicable to her because somehow she 'invited' it by living alone.
 

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As far as women of color, any color, went it was automatically easier to get away with this type of crime. Free or not. The miners in California always formed squaw hunting parties, the objective being to take as many Indian women as they could and keep them. This usually involved killing the men trying to protect them and stealing the children as it was legal to obtain a kid for labor by killing the parents. You could collect the bounty, too. The slave had at least the pretense of some type of protection with the legal system - slave rape was against the law - but getting the rapist charged and convicted was nearly impossible. At best, your owner could sue for damage to his property. There was also the idiot notion, very prevalent then and for some time further into the next century, that women of color were loose anyway. One of the several lynchings that took place in mining towns was one in Downieville, where a Mexican woman stabbed her rapist and was hung for defending herself. Apparently, self-defense was not applicable to her because somehow she 'invited' it by living alone.
It's truly disgusting when you see people combine multiple "isms"

Sexism & racism is truly a vile thing. Combined it seems to create an exponential effect on the vileness of the resulting actions.
 

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It's truly disgusting when you see people combine multiple "isms"

Sexism & racism is truly a vile thing. Combined it seems to create an exponential effect on the vileness of the resulting actions.
nah - they just define a new word (still needs another ingredient or two)

racism + sexism + x = trumpism
 
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Again, bringing up the general condition of war over entire human history and contemporary times, an attempt to merely serialize (ne excuse) what happened in the unique condition and experience of chattel slaves in the Antebellum and Civil War era. What was unique was the condition of chattel slavery in the U.S. South and the associated condition that most of the Civil War was conducted in Southern territory where legal permission to rape black women was implied.

You know, when we discuss treason here we don't go off citing every case of treason over the course of human history and all wars. This is a discussion on the unique circumstance of rape in the Antebellum and Civil War era, not a platform for expounding on what everybody already knows about rape in war generally (if you must distract the thread, at least tell us something new).
If young men with weapons can threaten woman who don't have weapons and that don't have menfolk to guard them then guess what happens? Did Union soldiers see woman of color as less then equal? Perhaps certainly that has occurred in other conflicts. Do we have any idea how many woman of color were raped by Union soldiers? Were slave owners perfect gentleman and respected the boundaries of their female slaves? Did Southern white men post ACW treat woman of color with the utmost of proprietary?
Raping women of color by US soldiers in the ACW is somehow more agrevious then US soldiers raping woman in other conflicts?
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Raping women of color by US soldiers in the ACW is somehow more agrevious then US soldiers raping woman in other conflicts?
it would be if they were deliberately sent to free them (they weren't) - today if a soldier rapes a woman who's human rights he was sent in to protect in the first place he should get an appointment to federal jail for live.
 

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it would be if they were deliberately sent to free them (they weren't) - today if a soldier rapes a woman who's human rights he was sent in to protect in the first place he should get an appointment to federal jail for live.
Not seeing your point. US soldiers were sent to liberate France but se troops raped French woman. Is the rape of French women or Vietnamese woman less agrevious just because they are not ex slaves? Yes rapists can face punishment but even in 21st Century USA with DNA technology most rapists don't even get arrested. Maybe American women should fight for the right to carry firearms in all states.
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Not seeing your point. US soldiers were sent to liberate France but se troops raped French woman. Is the rape of French women or Vietnamese woman less agrevious just because they are not ex slaves? Yes rapists can face punishment but even in 21st Century USA with DNA technology most rapists don't even get arrested. Maybe American women should fight for the right to carry firearms in all states.
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it's more of a problem. as those us troops know they were sent to free those people. us troops in the acw were sent to safe the union which means their sexist and rasicst believes are not aggrevating factors - in france or nam they were briefed to free these people.
 

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... stop saying they were raped by lust or opportunism rather than a brutal attacker....
I can't stop what I never started. Anyway what an odd way to phrase things!

Lust and opportunity invoked many rapes in the South back in the day, Union and Confederate soldiers both the brutal attackers.

What we today call sexism also invoked such attacks -- but, calmly, not nearly all of them.
 
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