Pro-Confederate Civil-Political identities post-war "Lost Cause"

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Rightly deserving the label Reactionary (Reactionary - Wikipedia) with fair to say, company like the Catholic Church or the French Monarchy restoration, let Americans decide among themselves how or why they plan to dismiss ideals already inherent in the founding of America.

How easy is it to lambaste a vast minority viewpoint? How easy is it to find a favorite weapon of choice against one grand politic or the other of the Nation? Nothing was black and white back then.

As soon as Jefferson Davis delivered secession , Vice President Breckenridge presides over the Senate during the speech, joined Kentucky during the war. The next administration the Lincoln administration prosecuted war. Woodrow Wilson as President is through only one lens which is Confederate. Popular grumbling has been happening but that did not include any mass discrimination during that administration. Most Statues are noted during the re-admittance of all states to the Union, the end of occupation, a similar restated goal against the European Empires and self-determination of Nations in the Bonnie Blue League of Nations.

Governor George Wallace , Strom Thurmond, and others also attempted to be President on staunchly on the 'shoulders of giants' with historical ties to the original Confederate politics.

What are major themes to Americans Today? Modern, Youth, Individualist, forward-thinking, assimilative, egalitarian(slaves to freemen), "Native" Americans replacing indegenous or (Indians).
As a proof, consider how there are some religions internationally today inspiring the Confederate flag that America intentionally is keeping out. That's one proof of an intolerance in the forced direction of the country, either/or.

Follow a bit of now seemingly convoluted ideals. The God of the Fathers of this Nation being Puritan Pilgrim and Presbyterian is seen as a vindicator and judge of actions. The Holy Declaration of Independence states "Free and Independent States" echoed South Carolina, the birth of a Nation is its Independence. John Witherspoon was a Presbyterian Clergyman and a Princeton President like Woodrow Wilson, and the most populous Presbytery the PC(USA) is now at 100 Witherspoon Street. John Witherspoon moved to the states of the colonies from Scotland in 1768. He was the only clergyman of the declaration, 1/3rd of Declaration signers are Presbyterian, John Witherspoon trained over 50 members of government from Princeton, Witherspoon was again concerned against the Bishops/Popes in America, British Officers today show patriot and "good english" character in a religion that is governed by a Monarchy.

Jefferson Davis in secession and Confederate inauguration primarily sought the spiritual intent of the US Constitution framed around the Spirit of Independence of the Declaration of Independence. "All Men Are Created Equal" is in declaration at a King of holy birth to restricted office. Presbyterians or Greek for "Elders" still view all men as having 'total depravity' (5 points of calvinism). The Church of Scotland presides religiously over the country and governance of Scotland.

This obvious theme at forefront is "Bonnie" Scotland , (Bonnie Blue Flag, Southern Battlecry of Freedom). Jefferson Davis's comments on Oliver Cromwell make the Presbyterian Scottish , Puritan Pilgrim Presbyterian polity connection between Christian Countries of England or Scotland with or without the UNited of Union of United Kingdom, the Tyrants of the rule of man over the rule of law begs the question do we revere the wisdom of documents or the sway of emperors , Napoleon's Republic and Constitution, and invasion of all the countries of Europe in war is widely compared to the current Confederate struggle, widely noted (Robert Dabney, Stonewall Jackson) comparing to the British Generals with Greek Christian-historical ideas Classical saving heritages of Europe from Napoleon, and how markedly different is the 1776 Spirit of the Holy Church in American independence compared to the secular French Republic, the assumed Spiritual "intent" of the US Constitution as Religious spoke Jefferson Davis safeguarding the intent during Confederate inauguration therefore, as totally different from a French Secular Constitution, Confederate veterans often proclaim a war against "some great Caesar" (Valiant Conscript), Scotland was an "undefeated civilization and race" during the Roman Empire (Birth of a Nation by Griffith) from whence came an ancient cross, the war against the Roman Church with direct lineage from the Roman Empire stands in many stark contrasts to the Wider set of Christians. How would we historically define Europe, as much as Christian countries might have worked together?

When the Statue of Liberty was built in 1885 the Nashville Athena soon followed as many Confederates appear to become civil engineers. There is a representation of the Greco-Roman and particularly as "Sic Semper Tyrannis" is a Greek-dressed Athena over top of a Roman from the Mother of Presidents Virginia. The Statue of Liberty from the French Abolition Society was given the poem "New Colossus" which includes "keep ancient lands your ancient pomp".

Is America particularly intolerant to outside heritages as a result of that statue? Do we frown upon the extent at which Britain feels there are power-relationships and dynamics in Butlers, footmen, or maids? Is the Confederacy the inevitable stepping stone away from British relations? Lincoln wrote the Queen about being their kin. It appears directly in the modern day, the Direct Thing, the Direct Thing in that relationship, conversations revolve around our thankfulness toward magna carta, the puritan pilgrims, english bill of rights, and these are secured with Confederates, British Oliver Cromwell, Covenanter, and Crusader tanks.

Does America suboordinate itself to any international standards in the first place? What kind of other ideals do you notice? I don't think some small plantation class will cast light on the politic, the men at arms, or the hope of that struggle.
 

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Your post have the same incongruent logic which most has been debunked by this forum. A racist came up with that word "debunked". I want you to feel at home with your confederate leaning.

Yes, "The Lost Cause" is a Pro-confederate ideology...
 

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Your post have the same incongruent logic which most has been debunked by this forum. A racist came up with that word "debunked". I want you to feel at home with your confederate leaning.

Yes, "The Lost Cause" is a Pro-confederate ideology...
No one taught you any feeling you're talking about 5fish. Your school probably taught you the Puritan Pilgrims, that every president understands the technical term confederate, existing states getting along by treaty, who do you get along with in your life for example? It is easy to understand that Non-Confederacy is binarily an Emperor of unchecked power under dissolved relationships, treaties, entities and territories.
 

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It always the same Wallace, Bonnie Blue, Confederacy and so forth you have a wrong vision...

@Mike12 How you see God...

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Who can't like a guy like that?
I saw a brand new story from the Southern Poverty Law Center, it said Dixie Flag, whose heritage is this?! See they got a glass panel walled building from the UFO future next to the George Wallace Alabama Capitol Building to pose questions that the public should know, but they don't.

So lets check out this hit job, something about the first film in America paying kudos to Woodrow Wilson, after all its the Confederacy guy, and Woodrow Wilson screening it at home saying, its the sad truth of it. I'm also known to squint at one African American or another, on the content of their character. I can't tell what KKK promotion W.W. did or discriminations or rolling back. Again, looks like Big Money gets to run their mouth with history to blame, by the way, Who Voted for Him?!

We could come to this gigantic romantic conclusion that New York is personally responsible for the many work hazards of the 1911 triangle shirtwaist factory fire, other work conditions, the Garment WOrkers Union, the poor immigrant Jewish, there was a near partnership at this time of the upstate New York mansion-estate of the Gluck's Zimbelist and Alma, described a modest housewife, a near partnership of this 1st million record album of all southern favorites of a brand new american diaspora European Jewish couple converting to Christianity, not in the workforce, in a New York country estate. Or Maybe Theodore Roosevelt's moose party split the Republican ticket! Freaky!
 

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I saw a brand new story from the Southern Poverty Law Center, it said Dixie Flag, whose heritage is this?! See they got a glass panel walled building from the UFO future next to the George Wallace Alabama Capitol Building to pose questions that the public should know, but they don't.

So lets check out this hit job, something about the first film in America paying kudos to Woodrow Wilson, after all its the Confederacy guy, and Woodrow Wilson screening it at home saying, its the sad truth of it. I'm also known to squint at one African American or another, on the content of their character. I can't tell what KKK promotion W.W. did or discriminations or rolling back. Again, looks like Big Money gets to run their mouth with history to blame, by the way, Who Voted for Him?!

We could come to this gigantic romantic conclusion that New York is personally responsible for the many work hazards of the 1911 triangle shirtwaist factory fire, other work conditions, the Garment WOrkers Union, the poor immigrant Jewish, there was a near partnership at this time of the upstate New York mansion-estate of the Gluck's Zimbelist and Alma, described a modest housewife, a near partnership of this 1st million record album of all southern favorites of a brand new american diaspora European Jewish couple converting to Christianity, not in the workforce, in a New York country estate. Or Maybe Theodore Roosevelt's moose party split the Republican ticket! Freaky!
It was a good link but what are you beely aching about. Are you saying: Wilson getting a bad deal from modern historians? or Wilson the hero of the White man? or KKK is not a terrorist group? UFO's? or Wallace have to do with Wilson?

The garment fire in New York how does this relate? It ushered in fire code laws around the nation. Who does Gluck fit into the Wilson story I want to point out her family become Church of England fans... her son a famous actor FBI... ?
 

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It was a good link but what are you beely aching about. Are you saying: Wilson getting a bad deal from modern historians? or Wilson the hero of the White man? or KKK is not a terrorist group? UFO's? or Wallace have to do with Wilson?

The garment fire in New York how does this relate? It ushered in fire code laws around the nation. Who does Gluck fit into the Wilson story I want to point out her family become Church of England fans... her son a famous actor FBI... ?
Alma Gluck's "Rock of Ages", recall Sisyphus? Sisyphus - Wikipedia Turns out to be a very exclusively Calvinist angle of Anglican. See what the changing politics of England will do, I wouldn't be an attempting Anglican Calvinist these days, I'd go Puritan Pilgrim.

Wilson's not the hero of the White Man, he's just a confederate, where's he from north ireland, where you from, this state that, state, where's german americans from. North Ireland his home and Ireland still and was a hot bed on the religious tensions.

The religious pastor man Woodrow Wilson, its a year after national famous fire, it affected his whole outlook, he starts with very little else in fact, I think he took down industry bosses, like the kinds that could lock them in for workhours during the fire, Tammany, Boss Tweed.

So Alma Gluck is a visiting star and these were all Southern tunes mostly and religious hymns. She has a nice estate outside the city in New York, who can tell if she works any. She seems proud of her heritage as well as instructing the American music scene.
 

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didn't the anglicans drive out the calvinists in the mayflower
Let me edit and rephrase...
Consider Calvinism in England from 1640 to 1830.
The Elizabeth movie shows a divided aisle , the Catholic and the Reformed, and a young Elizabeth as Queen, and two aisles are persuaded they're a single Church, the Act of Supremacy scene, the formation of a Church of England, started by Henry. So honestly common prayer books, there's Calvinists inside the american southern Baptist too in this time frame. The signal event against Tolerance, see, that is an idea about tolerance and middle-grounds, and bridges they say as the Anglicans, the signal event against Tolerance is returned powers to Catholics like Charles I, makes a persecution that rids the wings of the Churches, the Colonies of America already are established Puritans Calvinists, are technicallypart of the English Civil War even, the Parliaments and colonies and Reformed Religion against the King in Massachussettes and Virginia, and they're Puritan Pilgrims. So I Believe Calvinists were still left in England for the Glorious Revolution of William Nassau of Netherlands in 1688. So called "New Oxford" New Catholic in the 1830's, Queen Victoria and the Lutheran connection, Albert her husband and the associated "A Christmas Carol" and scrooge's 3 ghosts of christmas, what's scrooge say "Bah Humbug", means superstition, the charge in 1640 against Christmas, and many Catholic origin superstitions. So the Church in England swayed without a Calvinist leaning I'd say at that point. I'd say it was about time to point it out I would think the Calvinist Church of Scotland.
 
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look at Oliver Cromwell called "Moses of the Puritans", a Moses?Moses he leads the exiles out to a new promised land. So if we listen to wikipedia and definitely the English movie Oliver Cromwell, we're part of Oliver Cromwell's Westminster Confession among the Churches of England and Scotland and the Covenant of Ireland, Scotland, and England and all those technical things.
the cromwell who was dug up, hanged and his head put on a spike two years after his natural demise?

isn't a mose supossed to be very old? the one in that strange book gets to 120 - cromwell died at 59 and was executed at 61
 

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the cromwell who was dug up, hanged and his head put on a spike two years after his natural demise?

isn't a mose supossed to be very old? the one in that strange book gets to 120 - cromwell died at 59 and was executed at 61
Strange that his Westminster Abbey burial is totally obscure, I can't located it , in that Medieval dungeon, but, quite a prominent and lonely figure and statue in front of Westminster Parliament. Strange because well, if he was Puritan King and there's a Catholic Parliament, they're not very accurate.
 

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Strange that his Westminster Abbey burial is totally obscure, I can't located it , in that Medieval dungeon, but, quite a prominent and lonely figure and statue in front of Westminster Parliament. Strange because well, if he was Puritan King and there's a Catholic Parliament, they're not very accurate.
he's no longer there
 

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he's somewhere in yorkshire (i think)
 

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Tammany, Boss Tweed.
Just wrong, Wrong time frame...


Strange that his Westminster Abbey burial is totally obscure, I can't located it , in that Medieval dungeon, but, quite a prominent and lonely figure and statue in front of Westminster Parliament. Strange because well, if he was Puritan King and there's a Catholic Parliament, they're not very accurate.
The story... body dug up many times?... I bet it still in the pit...

Cromwell's body was exhumed from Westminster Abbey on 30 January 1661, the 12th anniversary of the execution of Charles I, and was subjected to a posthumous execution, as were the remains of John Bradshaw and Henry Ireton. (The body of Cromwell's daughter was allowed to remain buried in the Abbey.) His body was hanged in chains at Tyburn, London, and then thrown into a pit. His head was cut off and displayed on a pole outside Westminster Hall until 1685. Afterwards, it was owned by various people, including a documented sale in 1814 to Josiah Henry Wilkinson,[145][146] and it was publicly exhibited several times before being buried beneath the floor of the antechapel at Sidney Sussex College, Cambridge, in 1960.[143][147] The exact position was not publicly disclosed, but a plaque marks the approximate location.[148]

Many people began to question whether the body mutilated at Tyburn and the head seen on Westminster Hall were Cromwell's.[149] These doubts arose because it was assumed that Cromwell's body was reburied in several places between his death in September 1658 and the exhumation of January 1661, in order to protect it from vengeful royalists. The stories suggest that his bodily remains are buried in London, Cambridgeshire, Northamptonshire, or Yorkshire.[150]

The Cromwell vault was later used as a burial place for Charles II's illegitimate descendants.[151] In Westminster Abbey, the site of Cromwell's burial was marked during the 19th century by a floor stone in what is now the RAF Chapel reading: "The burial place of Oliver Cromwell 1658–1661".[152]
 

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Queen Victoria and the Lutheran connection, Albert her husband and the associated "A Christmas Carol" and scrooge's 3 ghosts of christmas, what's scrooge say "Bah Humbug",
Can you speak the truth...


From bah (“interjection expressing contempt, disgust, or bad temper”) + humbug (“balderdash!, nonsense!, rubbish!”). The words were originally spoken by the miser Ebenezer Scrooge in the novella A Christmas Carol (1843) by English author Charles Dickens (1812–1870).

Albert her husband and the associated "A Christmas Carol" and scrooge's 3 ghosts of christmas,
No Association but they did give us the roots of modern Christmas festivities... there more read the link...


As the 1840s began, Christmas, like many other social customs which bonded society, needed new advocates. Two of the most powerful of these were the new monarch Queen Victoria and her husband, Prince Albert, whose influence on the celebration should not be underestimated. Although they created far less then they are often credited with, their simple support and embracing of Christmas was influential and gave the celebration a tremendous boost. Their personal delight and interest in Christmas became apparent soon after their marriage in 1840. That, combined with their emphasis on a happy domestic life and pleasure in the raising of their many children, seems to have inclined them to view Christmas as a particularly special annual event. It provided a respite from the daily grind of official life and they seem to have enjoyed hugely those times when domestic celebrations and rituals took centre stage. On December 26th, 1841, a member of Victoria’s household observed that ‘Christmas has brought the usual routine of festivity…’. Victoria herself described Christmases spent with Albert and her growing family as ‘a most dear happy time’.

Details of the royal family’s Christmases at Windsor Castle in the 1840s were spread widely by newspapers, periodicals and word of mouth. Victoria and Albert were popular and their activities set styles among much of the population, particularly among the growing middle classes. With a revised template and the royal stamp of approval, Christmas was once again fashionable. The royal couple’s focus on their children at Christmas was a very important model, as Christmas until this time had largely been an adult festival. From the 1840s onwards, children gradually became more central to the celebrations. The popular view today that Christmas is ‘really for children’ would, however, have surprised the Victorians as it was still seen as a festival equally for adults.
 

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This is the roots modern Parliament begin with Simon de Montfort and the 2nd Baron wars...


Simon de Montfort's Parliament was an English parliament held from 20 January 1265 until mid-March of the same year, instigated by Simon de Montfort, a baronial rebel leader.

Montfort had seized power in England following his victory over Henry III at the Battle of Lewes during the Second Barons' War, but his grip on the country was under threat. In an attempt to gather more support he summoned representatives from not only the barons and the knights of the shires, as had occurred in previous parliaments, but also burgesses from the major towns. The resulting parliament in London discussed radical reforms and temporarily stabilised Montfort's political situation. Montfort was killed at the Battle of Evesham later that year, but the idea of inviting both knights and burgesses to parliaments became more popular under the reign of Henry's son Edward I. By the 14th century, that had become the norm, with the gathering becoming known as the House of Commons. Montfort's parliament is sometimes referred to as the first representative English parliament because od its inclusion of elected members, and he is sometimes regarded as the founder of the Commons.


Simon de Montfort was defeated by Edward 1st had killed and the King was restored. Edward 1st "Hammer of the Scot" had Montford killed in the battle...


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An ominous black cloud hung over the field of Evesham on 4 August 1265 as Montfort led his army in a desperate uphill charge against superior forces, described by one chronicler as the "murder of Evesham, for battle it was none".[35] On hearing that his son Henry had been killed, Montfort replied, "Then it is time to die."[36] During the battle, a twelve-man squad of Edward's men had stalked the battlefield independent of Edward's main army, their sole aim being to find the earl and cut him down. Montfort was hemmed in; Roger Mortimer killed Montfort by stabbing him in the neck with a lance.[37] Montfort's last words were said to have been "Thank God".[36] Also slain with Montfort were other leaders of his movement, including Peter de Montfort and Hugh Despenser.
 

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, the Catholic and the Reformed,
You seem to have missed Edward 1st (Hammer of the Scots) and his taken of the The Stone of Scone from Scotland as spoils of war. If King Edward 1st had been younger or healthier there would have been no William Wallace or King Robert the Bruce...

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The Stone of Scone (/ˈskuːn/; Scottish Gaelic: An Lia Fáil, Scots: Stane o Scuin)—also known as the Stone of Destiny, and often referred to in England as The Coronation Stone—is an oblong block of red sandstone that has been used for centuries in the coronation of the monarchs of Scotland. After its forced removal from Scone during Edward I's invasion of Scotland in 1296, it was used in the coronation of the monarchs of England as well as the monarchs of Great Britain and latterly of the United Kingdom following the Treaty of Union.

Historically, the artefact was kept at the now-ruined Scone Abbey in Scone, near Perth, Scotland, having been brought there from Iona by Kenneth MacAlpin circa 841 A.D. It is also known as Jacob's Pillow Stone and the Tanist Stone, and as clach-na-cinneamhain in Scottish Gaelic. Its size is 26 in (66 cm) by 16.7 in (42 cm) by 10.5 in (26.7 cm) and its weight is approximately 335 lb (152 kg). A roughly incised cross is on one surface, and an iron ring at each end aids with transport.[1] The Stone of Scone was last used in 1953 for the coronation of Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

snip... was it ever returned?

In 1296, the stone was taken by Edward I as spoils of war and removed to Westminster Abbey, where it was fitted into a wooden chair—known as King Edward's Chair—on which most subsequent English and then British sovereigns have been crowned. Edward I sought to claim his status as the "Lord Paramount" of Scotland, with the right to oversee its King.[11]

Some doubt exists over the stone captured by Edward I. The Westminster Stone theory posits that the monks at Scone Palace hid the real stone in the River Tay, or buried it on Dunsinane Hill, and that the English troops were tricked into taking a substitute. Some proponents of the theory claim that historic descriptions of the stone do not match the present stone.[12]

In the Treaty of Northampton 1328, between the Kingdom of Scotland and the Kingdom of England, England agreed to return the captured stone to Scotland; riotous crowds prevented it from being removed from Westminster Abbey.[13] The stone remained in England for another six centuries, even after James VI of Scotland assumed the English throne as James I of England. For the next century, the Stuart kings and queens of Scotland once again sat on the stone but at their coronation as kings and queens of England.


Here a book summary of King Edward 1st being the Hammer of the Scots...

 
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