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Douglas was a great believer in the destiny of Stephen Douglas.
Popular sovereignty, also called squatter sovereignty, in U.S. history, a controversial political doctrine according to which the people of federal territories should decide for themselves whether their territories would enter the Union as free or slave states. Its enemies, especially in New England, called it “squatter sovereignty.”

Link: https://www.ushistory.org/us/30b.asp

As the Mexican War drew to a close and no compromise could be reached in the Wilmot argument, the campaign for President became heated. The Democratic standard bearer, LEWIS CASS of Michigan, coined the term "POPULAR SOVEREIGNTY" for a new solution that had begun to emerge. The premise was simple. Let the people of the territories themselves decide whether slavery would be permitted. The solution seemed perfect. In a country that has championed democracy, letting the people decide seemed right, if not obvious.

Snippet... was just a way for politicians to avoid the slavery issue...

As the 1840s melted into the 1850s, STEPHEN DOUGLAS became the loudest proponent of popular sovereignty. As long as the issue was discussed theoretically, he had many supporters. In fact, to many, popular sovereignty was the perfect means to avoid the problem. But problems do not tend to disappear when they are evaded — they often become
worse.

However simple popular sovereignty seemed, it was difficult to put into practice. By what means would the people decide? Directly or indirectly? If a popular vote were scheduled, what guarantees could be made against voter fraud? If slavery were voted down, would the individuals who already owned slaves be allowed to keep them? Cass and the Democrats did not say.

Snippet... California used popular sovereignty

Although Taylor didn't advocate any position regarding slavery during his campaign, after his election he stated that California and New Mexico should be admitted to the union and should decide their status by means of popular sovereignty. Taylor's cabinet, shown here, had members of different sections of the nation with differing opinions on slavery

From late 1848, Americans and foreigners of many different countries rushed into California for the California Gold Rush, exponentially increasing the population. In response to growing demand for a better more representative government, a Constitutional Convention was held in 1849. The delegates unanimously outlawed slavery. They had no interest in extending the Missouri Compromise Line through California and splitting the state; the lightly populated southern half never had slavery and was heavily Hispanic.[2
 

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Democracy beside trusting it, you must understand democracy needs times to get things right or do the right thing. It took us a century to end Jim Crow laws...

Quotes by Abba Eban who was an Israeli politician and diplomat.
Quote: “Men and nations behave wisely when they have exhausted all other resources.”
Quote: “nations do behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives.”
Quote: “My experience teaches me this,” he said, “Men and nations do act wisely when they have exhausted all the other possibilities.”


My point of these quotes is like how democracy works, Democracy's keep trying until they get it right...

Quotes About America often contributed to Churchill but there is no evidence for it...

(1) Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing…after they have exhausted all other possibilities.
(2) The Americans can always be trusted to do the right thing, once all other possibilities have been exhausted.
(3) You can always count on Americans to do the right thing – after they’ve tried everything else.
(4) The Americans will always do the right thing… after they’ve exhausted all the alternatives.

My point it democracy is not perfect but it keeps working until it finds the right solution, even if it takes a century...

Popular Sovereignty would have worked had the American people just trusted it and given democracy time to do it thing... I am talking years, decades and ect...

Link to the quotes: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/11/11/exhaust-alternatives/
Essentially Bleeding Kansas had nothing to do with democracy but was a mini Civil War. Has Stalin said " God favors the side with the biggest batallions " the biggest batallions won no surprise there.
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You could called Bleeding Kansas a proxy war between the White people who want the western lands for white people going up against the White people who wanted to bring slaves into the western...
Yes but it had nothing to do with democracy and everything to do with what Stalin stated that God favors the side with the biggest batallions. Also I'll era show some love to John( the gentle parson) Brown for showing some spine among the abolitionists.
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Here is a map... That is not a lot of bleeding or is it...?

Link to maps... https://www.vox.com/2015/4/14/8396477/maps-explain-civil-war


5) Bloodshed in Kansas over the future of slavery
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In the 1850s, Kansas was poised to be admitted as a new state, provoking a dispute over whether it would be a slave state like neighboring Missouri or a free state. In the 1854 Kansas-Nebraska Act, Congress decided that this question would be determined by (white) voters in the sparsely settled territory. Abolitionists began moving to Kansas in hopes of creating an anti-slavery majority there. Missouri residents in favor of slavery crossed the border to cast illegal votes for a pro-slavery legislature in 1855. They also launched violent attacks on abolitionist settlers, which triggered reprisals from the abolitionists. This fraud and bloodshed radicalized Northern voters, making them more willing to countenance aggressive measures to stop the expansion of slavery, even if doing so antagonized the South.
 

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Here are the battles in Kansas during bleeding Kansas not too many... is it enough to give up on Democracy (Popular Sovereignty). Our nation back then had a no stomach to fight for Democracy...

I got the list from wiki... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_fought_in_Kansas

Wakarusa War November–December 1855 Lawrence, Kansas / Wakarusa River Valley Bleeding Kansas 2 Free-Staters vs Border Ruffians
Sacking of Lawrence May 21, 1856 Lawrence, Kansas Bleeding Kansas 1 Pro-slavery mob[7] vs abolitionist civilians
Pottawatomie massacre[8] May 24–25, 1856 Franklin County, Kansas Bleeding Kansas 5 Free-Staters[9] vs Pro-slavery settlers[10]
Battle of Black Jack[11] June 2, 1856 near modern Baldwin City, Kansas Bleeding Kansas Border Ruffians[12] vs Free-Staters[13]
Battle of Fort Titus August 16, 1856 Douglas County, Kansas Bleeding Kansas 3 Free-Staters vs Border Ruffians
Battle of Osawatomie August 30, 1856 Osawatomie, Kansas Bleeding Kansas 25+ Border Ruffians[15] vs Free-Staters[16]
Marais des Cygnes massacre[18] May 19, 1858 Trading Post, Kansas Bleeding Kansas 5 Border Ruffians[19] vs Free-Staters[20]
Battle of the Spurs (Kansas) January 31, 1859 near Netawaka, Kansas Bleeding Kansas None John Brown, J. H. Kagi, Aaron Dwight Stevens, 12 escaped slaves from Missouri vs. U.S. marshalls


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Here are the battles in Kansas during bleeding Kansas not too many... is it enough to give up on Democracy (Popular Sovereignty). Our nation back then had a no stomach to fight for Democracy...

I got the list from wiki... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_fought_in_Kansas

Wakarusa War November–December 1855 Lawrence, Kansas / Wakarusa River Valley Bleeding Kansas 2 Free-Staters vs Border Ruffians
Sacking of Lawrence May 21, 1856 Lawrence, Kansas Bleeding Kansas 1 Pro-slavery mob[7] vs abolitionist civilians
Pottawatomie massacre[8] May 24–25, 1856 Franklin County, Kansas Bleeding Kansas 5 Free-Staters[9] vs Pro-slavery settlers[10]
Battle of Black Jack[11] June 2, 1856 near modern Baldwin City, Kansas Bleeding Kansas Border Ruffians[12] vs Free-Staters[13]
Battle of Fort Titus August 16, 1856 Douglas County, Kansas Bleeding Kansas 3 Free-Staters vs Border Ruffians
Battle of Osawatomie August 30, 1856 Osawatomie, Kansas Bleeding Kansas 25+ Border Ruffians[15] vs Free-Staters[16]
Marais des Cygnes massacre[18] May 19, 1858 Trading Post, Kansas Bleeding Kansas 5 Border Ruffians[19] vs Free-Staters[20]
Battle of the Spurs (Kansas) January 31, 1859 near Netawaka, Kansas Bleeding Kansas None John Brown, J. H. Kagi, Aaron Dwight Stevens, 12 escaped slaves from Missouri vs. U.S. marshalls


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Not seeing your points all. Bleeding Kansas had absolutely nothing to do with democracy. Bleeding Kansas was a mini Civil War in which the side with the bigger battalions won.
It didn't matter what voters across the country thought. Does who wanted to make a difference in Kansas used bullets not ballot boxes.
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