Planet X : Does Exist?

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I remember back in the 1970's and 1980's people talk about Planet X. The missing planet that may have caused extinction events on earth because about every 14 million to 25 million years there is a mass extinction events on the earth at the as the fossil records were read. This Planet X would have a 14 million or more orbit around our sun and when it came close it s mass would cause metros to leave the Kuiper belt and head toward the inter planets. I remember this theory was poo poo by the scientist of that era.


Snip... some planet X theories... this only 3 of them...

Planet X[edit]
Lieder drew the name Planet X from the hypothetical planet once searched for by astronomers to account for discrepancies in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune.[19] In 1894, Bostonian astronomer Percival Lowell became convinced that the planets Uranus and Neptune had slight discrepancies in their orbits. He concluded that they were being tugged by the gravity of another, more distant planet, which he called "Planet X".[66] However, nearly a century of searching failed to turn up any evidence for such an object (Pluto was initially believed to be Planet X, but was later determined to be too small).[67]

The discrepancies remained through to the 1990s when the astronomer Robert Harrington put forward his hypothesis for an extra planet beyond Neptune with, as one example, a semi-major axis 101.2 AU and eccentricity 0.411 which makes its perihelion 59.60, so the closest to the Sun it would get is one and a half times the distance to Pluto.[68]

Six months before Harrington died of throat cancer[69][70] in 1992, astronomer Myles Standish showed that the supposed discrepancies in the planets' orbits were illusory, the product of overestimating the mass of Neptune.[71] When Neptune's newly determined mass was used in the Jet Propulsion Laboratory Developmental Ephemeris (JPL DE), the supposed discrepancies in the Uranian orbit, and with them the need for a Planet X, vanished.[72] There are no discrepancies in the trajectories of any space probes such as Pioneer 10, Pioneer 11, Voyager 1, and Voyager 2 that can be attributed to the gravitational pull of a large undiscovered object in the outer Solar System.[73] Today astronomers accept that Planet X, as originally defined, does not exist.[74]


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Nemesis[edit]
See also: Nemesis (hypothetical star)
Believers in Planet X/Nibiru have often confused it with Nemesis,[79] a hypothetical star first proposed by physicist Richard A. Muller. In 1984, Muller postulated that mass extinctions were not random, but appeared to occur in the fossil record with a loose periodicity that ranged from 26 to 34 million years. He attributed this supposed pattern to a heretofore undetected companion to the Sun, either a dim red dwarf or a brown dwarf, lying in an elliptical, 26-million-year orbit. This object, which he named Nemesis, would, once every 26 million years, pass through the Oort cloud, the shell of over a trillion icy objects believed to be the source of long-period comets that orbit at thousands of times Pluto's distance from the Sun. Nemesis's gravity would then disturb the comets' orbits and send them into the inner Solar System, causing the Earth to be bombarded. However, to date no direct evidence of Nemesis has been found.[80] Though the idea of Nemesis appears similar to the Nibiru cataclysm, they are, in fact, very different, as Nemesis, if it existed, would have an orbital period thousands of times longer, and would never come near Earth itself


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The Nibiru cataclysm is a supposed disastrous encounter between the Earth and a large planetary object (either a collision or a near-miss) that certain groups believed would take place in the early 21st century. Believers in this doomsday event usually refer to this object as Nibiru or Planet X. The idea was first put forward in 1995 by Nancy Lieder,[2][3] founder of the website ZetaTalk. Lieder describes herself as a contactee with the ability to receive messages from extraterrestrials from the Zeta Reticuli star system through an implant in her brain. She states that she was chosen to warn mankind that the object would sweep through the inner Solar System in May 2003 (though that date was later postponed) causing Earth to undergo a physical pole shift that would destroy most of humanity.[4]

I want to point out the math has come to recue... The math states its there, its a good read and it goes over some early thoughts there is a Planet X...


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The scientists who made headlines this week by announcing evidence for a new planet in our solar system are basing the claim entirely on a mathematical model. Nobody’s seen the thing, but the math says it’s there. This isn’t the first time scientists have found a new planet before really finding it, but this technique also has produced outright blunders. This time, though, astronomers say there’s reason to take the new potential planet seriously.

Planet Nine, as the astronomers have dubbed it, would be the first genuine planet discovered in our solar system since Neptune was found in 1846. (Pluto, found in 1930, was officially removed from the list of planets in 2006 by the International Astronomical Union.) And it’d be a big one. The model predicts that Planet Nine is five to 10 times the mass of Earth. Astronomers say it is possible such a substantial object could have eluded detection, because it allegedly lurks in the farthest outskirts of the solar system — moving in a lopsided path whose closest approach to the sun is still 40 times as far as Neptune. Each orbit would take upward of 10,000 years


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Caltech astronomers Michael Brown and Konstantin Batygin say they’ve observed six icy bodies in the distant solar system moving in skinny, oblong orbits that are roughly aligned, like pencils pointing in approximately the same direction. Such a configuration is unlikely, they say, without something else forcing them to exist like that. That something else, they think, is Planet Nine.


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In the new paper, Brown and Batygin took things a step further, proposing a very elongated orbit for the unseen planet and a more detailed mechanism by which it might have herded the smaller bodies.


Is there a Planet X? The math says there is but it there one...
 

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Is there a Planet X? The math says there is but it there one...
there might, but it's certainly not nibiru - more like some really cold mudball
 

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there might, but it's certainly not nibiru but some really cold mudball
There is always a plant x.
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Asteroids I understand it are influenced by Jupiter. They are blamed for the Dino extension. There was one caused by continental drift causing a lot of volcanos and one caused by plants producing oxygen.
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My point is SciFy concept of a Planet X has come true... One for the crazy Coast to Coast show and for the crazies of the 1970's and 1980's... SciFy now as truth...
 

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Here is the line in the earth that marks the end of the dino's... This line can be found throughout the world... if you go to the link you will see this line in the earth one side dino's on the other no dino's... Except birds...


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The K–Pg boundary is associated with the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event, a mass extinction which destroyed a majority of the world's Mesozoic species, including all dinosaurs except for birds.[4]

Strong evidence exists that the extinction coincided with a large meteorite impact at the Chicxulub crater and the generally accepted scientific theory is that this impact triggered the extinction event.

The "K" in "K-Pg boundary" can be confusing to English speakers. The word "Cretaceous" is derived from the Latin "creta" (chalk). It is abbreviated K for its German translation "Kreide" (chalk).[5]
 

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Well Science has a theory where the DINO killer asteroid came from...


snip... tidbit it seems we about 250 million years away maybe more from that type event again...

If all of this has you a little nervous looking at the night sky, though, don’t worry. The new model predicts that a comet or asteroid the size of the one that struck at the end of the Cretaceous is only going to strike Earth every 250 to 730 million years or so. What happened 66 million years ago was a truly exceptional and rare event, underscored by the fact that it is the only mass extinction in the history of life on Earth to be caused by an impact rather than Earth-bound causes like intense volcanic activity.

snip... a taste of the theory need to read the srticle to get the whole theory...

The new hypothesis was discovered by looking outward, then looking inward. “My work on the asteroid impact rates for Earth-like exoplanets prompted me to investigate the properties of cometary impact rates on such systems,” Siraj says. Naturally, what better way to understand Earth-like planets than studying our own solar system? By looking at our astronomical neck of the woods, Siraj noticed that some comets came very close to Earth after having close brushes with the sun.

The story likely started in the Oort Cloud. This is a cloud-like field of debris around the sun. But the debris don’t always stay there. The gravitational pull of the sun and Jupiter can pull comets and asteroids out of the cloud and inadvertently set them on a course for other parts of the solar system.
 

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Here @rittmeister and @O' Be Joyful taken from an airplane window.... its called' "History's most Amazing Photo"



Over 200 million Americans watched the total solar eclipse in August 2017, but no one had a better view than photographer Jon Carmichael. He spent years plotting how he could capture the total eclipse in a unique way, eventually combining his passions for photography, astronomy, and flight.

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Here some say a solar sail or Light sail flew through our solar system.... it is argued we need to start doing space archeology looking to ancient advance life remnants...


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Basically, Bialy and Loeb consider the possibility that 'Oumuamua could in fact be a light sail, a form of spacecraft that relies on radiation pressure to generate propulsion – similar to what Breakthrough Starshot is working on. Similar to what is planned for Starshot, this light sail may been sent from another civilization to study our solar system and look for signs of life. As Prof. Loeb explained to Universe Today via email

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We explain the excess acceleration of `Oumuamua away from the sun as the result of the force that the sunlight exerts on its surface. For this force to explain measured excess acceleration, the object needs to be extremely thin, of order a fraction of a millimeter in thickness but tens of meters in size. This makes the object lightweight for its surface area and allows it to act as a light-sail. Its origin could be either natural (in the interstellar medium or proto-planetary disks) or artificial (as a probe sent for a reconnaissance mission into the inner region of the solar system)."

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As for what an extra-terrestrial light sail would be doing in our solar system, Bialy and Loeb offer some possible explanations for that. First, they suggest that the probe may actually be a defunct sail floating under the influence of gravity and stellar radiation, similar to debris from ship wrecks floating in the ocean. This would help explain why Breakthrough Listen found no evidence of radio transmissions
 

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Here is the Galaxy... form the edge of our Galaxy...


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In this image from the Fermi space telescope, the Milky Way's stellar disk, which runs horizontally along the middle, glows in gamma rays. A vast halo of dark matter engulfs the disk and emits no light at all, which makes measuring the galaxy’s total size a challenge.

Here is this... Milky Way size in light years...

100,000 light years
The Milky Way is about 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 km (about 100,000 light years or about 30 kpc) across.

 
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There were some recent videos posted by the Pentagon that show what could be UFOs or they now use the word Unidentified Arial Phonomonon since they can can't leave a good a acronym alone. It's debatable if aliens exsist or they would want anything to do with us.
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Here is a link to the wonders of the solar system just watch the video at the end of the article... geological wonder of the solar system...

 

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Here is a good video on the Mystery of Planet 9, or Planet X... it worth 22min... We stoled a planet...

 

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Here is a good video about our evil sister star... Nemesis... We have found TNO's... Our fellow star left long ago...



A trans-Neptunian object (TNO), also written transneptunian object, is any minor planet or dwarf planet in the Solar System that orbits the Sun at a greater average distance than Neptune, which has a semi-major axis of 30.1 astronomical units (AU)
 

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somebody told me this vid can't be seen in the us (it usually the other way round) so if you can't see it look out for episode V-02 Mystery of Planet 9 of the discovey show How the Universe Works
 

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Assuming it is not aliens until it is aliens, the lack of any communications from Oumuamua suggests it is a natural object. I.E there is little evidence that it is anything but a rock.
probably, but do you consider that a reason to not go looking?


... if they used a subspace transceiver we wouldn't know, right?
 

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probably, but do you consider that a reason to no go looking?


... if they used a subspace transceiver we wouldn't know, right?
I am all for looking.

IMHO even subspace would have electric emissions from the equipment required to transmit and possible out of band interference which would be detectable. I also guess that a Subspace beacon or a series of them back to the home system to get a message home. If a civilization has subspace radio, then they should have warp drive and no need of a sub luminal rock.
 
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