Picture of the Actual Battle of Manassas.

[LJMYERS]

Photo taken from the Dulles Airport Area. The Blue Ridge Mountains are the background. They say this is the only picture that exist of an actual Civil War Battle in progress. I take it the picture is of the first Battle of Manassas. It kind of matches the map of the First Battle of Manassas

 

[5fish]

Dulles is miles away, and history records no photos of the battle exist...

 

[LJMYERS]

That is what I sort of said. Now the question is, were there any pictures of any Civil War Battles going on? The Blue Ridge Mountains does match the view from Dulles Airport. Title: The Distance Battle by E Forbes. Maybe it's a drawing. Maybe it's a drawing of a photograph. I actually looked this up. It's E Forbes Plate 25. I got it from the Sherman family in Santa Barbara. The Shermans were big collectors of E Forbes Etchings. I was told this was from a photograph. I got this out because I purchased a new projector for my home theater and I played Gods and Generals last night.

 

[5fish]

That is what I sort of said. Now the question is, were there any pictures of any Civil War Battles going on? The Blue

Manassas is South of Dulles and to the East the mountains would not be in the picture... I thought it might to a etching or drawn.

 

[LJMYERS]

You need Geography classes.

 

[5fish]

You need Geography classes.

No, the airport is north of the battlefield and to the West, so if you are looking at the battlefield from that direction, the mountains are to your back... Unless the picture taken looking towards Dulles...

Final note ..

No, you cannot see mountains from the battlefield at Manassas

 

[LJMYERS]

Why don't you get a map out and post it?

 

[5fish]

Why don't you get a map out and post it?

No you take a look and admit it...

 

[LJMYERS]

OK. But I know the Blue Ridge Mountains are to the west of Dulles Airport and not to the east.

 

[LJMYERS]

Now that I look at the map. The view could be from the Fairfax Courthouse. For sure the battlefield was close to both Dulles Airport and Fairfax Courthouse. The second larger red line is the Blue Ridge to the West. The largest red line would be the view from the Fairfax Court House to the battlefield and that would record the Blue Ridge in the background.

 

[5fish]

OK. But I know the Blue Ridge Mountains are to the west of Dulles Airport and not to the east

Yes .. the battlefield was South and a little east of Dulles to far to see mountains in the back ground... If your looking from Dulles there would be no mountains...

 

[LJMYERS]

So Fairfax Court House it is.

 

[5fish]

‘MY ENEMY’S ENEMY …’—THE 1861 TRENT AFFAIR IN THE NATION – History Ireland

historyireland.com

 

[LJMYERS]

Yes I think Frederick Douglass' friend Isaac Myers was involved in this. Boat Caulker or not. He would know the comings and goings of boats.

 

[5fish]

Learn about Isaac...

What Can Black Caulkers Teach Us About Labor Organizing? - Postindustrial

Explore how Black caulkers in 19th-century Baltimore shaped labor organizing and its relevance for today's movements.

postindustrial.com

Yes, African American men were a dominant workforce in the ship caulking trade in the 19th century, especially in cities like Baltimore, where they established a virtual monopoly on the skill. This was a skilled, well-paid trade that African Americans held for a time, though they faced racial violence and competition, particularly from white workers and immigrants.

• Dominance: African Americans held a significant majority, and in some areas like Baltimore, a near monopoly, on the caulking trade from the 1830s to the late 1850s, notes the National Archives and this YouTube video.
• Skilled trade: Caulking was a vital and skilled job for making ships watertight, and African American workers were respected for their expertise.
• Economic power: This dominance gave them power in negotiations for wages and working conditions, allowing them to influence terms of employment, according to the National Archives and this YouTube video.
• Resistance: Despite their position, they faced discrimination, and their monopoly ended around 1858 due to violence and intimidation from white workers, as detailed in this YouTube video and this AFL-CIO article.
• Labor organizing: In response to these challenges, African American caulkers were pioneers in labor organizing, forming early trade unions like the Baltimore Caulker Trade Society, as mentioned by the Maritime Administration and this National Union of Healthcare Workers page.

 

[LJMYERS]

and they would know the comings and goings of ships like "The Trent" coming from England when Frederick Douglass was in England with Belle Boyd Jenny Lind and Queen Victoria.

 

[5fish]

ships like "The Trent"

British Royal Mail paddle steamer involved in the 1861

RMS Trent - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[LJMYERS]

Bet that need caulked every so often.

 

[5fish]

Henry Bacon - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[LJMYERS]

The Mellons would know that.