Photo of 1872 Alabama Legislature Used Against Republicans in 1928

[pool boy]

Do you mean de facto or de jure?

De facto.

 

[O' Be Joyful]

De facto.

Thought so.

 

[pool boy]

Thought so.

You show me where people in any statistically significant numbers were prevented from learning to read and write over the last century and I’ll say I’m wrong.

 

[O' Be Joyful]

You show me where people in any statistically significant numbers were prevented from learning to read and write over the last century and I’ll say I’m wrong.

De facto segregation is racial discrimination that is not mandated by law. It is brought about by individual preference, prejudice, and social norms. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 ended decades of segregation, but de facto segregation continued. Despite its practice being outlawed, blacks were still expected to sit at the back of buses. They were to stand at the side of the road when boarding buses to make room for whites. So-called “separate but equal” establishments were still in operation. African-American students still suffered harassment in public schools all over the US as whites perpetuated de facto segregation. Neighborhoods were no longer segregated by law. However, social and financial expectations prevailed as economically challenged blacks were concentrated in ghettos, separated from whites in affluent, sometimes gated, communities.

https://difference.guru/difference-between-de-facto-and-de-jure-segregation/

 

[rittmeister]

Sure. I’m old enough to remember so let’s have a go at it. You first. But before we go South, tell me about the Jim Crows laws in the North, and how they have affected high crime and low achievement by almost any metric you want to bring up. Good luck.

? - being from germany i don't make that distiction after 1865

 

[Andersonh1]

@Viper21 , you know as well as I do and I assume you grew up in the south like I did. You know white nationalist is just a rebranding of White Supremacy...

I'm 48, a lifelong Southerner from a family that's been either in NC or SC since before the Revolutionary War, and I have to say that this visceral, overt, regional racism people speak of is something I've never seen. The occasional racial comment from some individual is about all I've personally experienced. Maybe it never was the whole white community, maybe it was always small groups or individuals who practiced it. Maybe things really were different before I was born, and before the Civil Rights movement, but the stereotypical South that people think they know is a foreign country to me. It's not the South I've always known.

 

[5fish]

You show me where people in any statistically significant numbers were prevented from learning to read and write over the last century and I’ll say I’m wrong.

Prevent is not the issue it the quality and money spend on African -American kids vs white kids during the Jim Crow years...

I can not parse the article but scroll down to Jim Crow schools... were African-American kids given fair opportunity to compete with the white kids...

https://www.aft.org/periodical/american-educator/summer-2004/jim-crows-schools

 

[5fish]

I'm 48, a lifelong Southerner from a family that's been either in NC or SC since before the Revolutionary War, and I have to say that this visceral, overt, regional racism people speak of is something I've never seen.

I am a bit older than you but I have yet to meet any southern white person who was an adult during the Civil Rights years say they mistreated a fellow black Southerner. I read famous writers from the south in their biographies and none of them ever admitted mistreating a fellow black Southern... You can not find hardly any Southern white person who admits they mistreated a fellow black Southern during the Jim Crow years... We know that there were white people mistreating their fellow black Southerners but everyone has conveniently have forgotten... They all learned to hide their racism... They all beleive they not racist because they do not mistreat their fellow black Southerns... But in private will say disparaging thing about thier fellow black Southerns and support politicians who say disparaging thing about their fellow black Southerns and support laws that are design to infringe on black Southern rights... They are racist but if you talk to them they are not racist because they would never mistreat their fellow black Southerners.... They are racist and the problem is they are family and friends... I just hold my tongue...

 

[jgoodguy]

I am a bit older than you but I have yet to meet any southern white person who was an adult during the Civil Rights years say they mistreated a fellow black Southerner. I read famous writers from the south in their biographies and none of them ever admitted mistreating a fellow black Southern... You can not find hardly any Southern white person who admits they mistreated a fellow black Southern during the Jim Crow years... We know that there were white people mistreating their fellow black Southerners but everyone has conveniently have forgotten... They all learned to hide their racism... They all beleive they not racist because they do not mistreat their fellow black Southerns... But in private will say disparaging thing about thier fellow black Southerns and support politicians who say disparaging thing about their fellow black Southerns and support laws that are design to infringe on black Southern rights... They are racist but if you talk to them they are not racist because they would never mistreat their fellow black Southerners.... They are racist and the problem is they are family and friends... I just hold my tongue...

I am from Birmingham, remember the bombings, cross burning, firebombing, fire hoses, and police dogs. Yet I have heard folks stand up in church and say how Christian Birmingham of the time was. I have also experienced what you have.

 

[rittmeister]

I am a bit older than you but I have yet to meet any southern white person who was an adult during the Civil Rights years say they mistreated a fellow black Southerner. I read famous writers from the south in their biographies and none of them ever admitted mistreating a fellow black Southern... You can not find hardly any Southern white person who admits they mistreated a fellow black Southern during the Jim Crow years... We know that there were white people mistreating their fellow black Southerners but everyone has conveniently have forgotten... They all learned to hide their racism... They all beleive they not racist because they do not mistreat their fellow black Southerns... But in private will say disparaging thing about thier fellow black Southerns and support politicians who say disparaging thing about their fellow black Southerns and support laws that are design to infringe on black Southern rights... They are racist but if you talk to them they are not racist because they would never mistreat their fellow black Southerners.... They are racist and the problem is they are family and friends... I just hold my tongue...

i wonder what that reminds me of

 

[Andersonh1]

I think there has been a genuine generational shift since the 60s. I don't think it's just a case of people "hiding" it (though some do, I'm sure), I think the mindset has genuinely changed for the better. Jgoodguy, I don't doubt that you experienced firebombs, cross burnings, etc., but I've never personally seen anything like that. I was born in 1971, there were always black and white kids going to school together as I was growing up. I didn't think anything of it, it was just how it was and it never occurred to me that it might have been otherwise. When I say that the segregated South of the history books sounds like a foreign country to me, I mean it. It's completely foreign to my experience. I accept that it happened, but it happened before I was born and I cannot relate.

 

[jgoodguy]

I think there has been a genuine generational shift since the 60s. I don't think it's just a case of people "hiding" it (though some do, I'm sure), I think the mindset has genuinely changed for the better. Jgoodguy, I don't doubt that you experienced firebombs, cross burnings, etc., but I've never personally seen anything like that. I was born in 1971, there were always black and white kids going to school together as I was growing up. I didn't think anything of it, it was just how it was and it never occurred to me that it might have been otherwise. When I say that the segregated South of the history books sounds like a foreign country to me, I mean it. It's completely foreign to my experience. I accept that it happened, but it happened before I was born and I cannot relate.

I was born in 1950 and remember a lot of stuff. The first integrated school I attended was Jr. College in 1967. My wife born in 1958, experienced a lot different from me. History to me is the story of men doing bad stuff to other men, taking of land, money, women, and children then trying to make it look pretty. I have to be agnostic about the past and not dwell on it.

 

[Viper21]

I was born in 1971, there were always black and white kids going to school together as I was growing up. I didn't think anything of it, it was just how it was and it never occurred to me that it might have been otherwise. When I say that the segregated South of the history books sounds like a foreign country to me, I mean it. It's completely foreign to my experience. I accept that it happened, but it happened before I was born and I cannot relate.

I'm a year older than you. I have ancestry in Virginia dating back to pre-Revolutionary War. My experience has been very similar to yours, regardless of whether I lived in the concrete jungle, or in a rural area.

 

[jgoodguy]

I think there has been a genuine generational shift since the 60s. I don't think it's just a case of people "hiding" it (though some do, I'm sure), I think the mindset has genuinely changed for the better. Jgoodguy, I don't doubt that you experienced firebombs, cross burnings, etc., but I've never personally seen anything like that. I was born in 1971, there were always black and white kids going to school together as I was growing up. I didn't think anything of it, it was just how it was and it never occurred to me that it might have been otherwise. When I say that the segregated South of the history books sounds like a foreign country to me, I mean it. It's completely foreign to my experience. I accept that it happened, but it happened before I was born and I cannot relate.

I'm a year older than you. I have ancestry in Virginia dating back to pre-Revolutionary War. My experience has been very similar to yours, regardless of whether I lived in the concrete jungle, or in a rural area.

Assuming things were worst as we go back, 1928 environment would have been really bad, in a year the great depression would start. Lynchings peter out in the early 1950s. IMHO too many folks try to absolve their ancestors of actions those ancestors thought righteous. Others try to convict them of crimes not criminal in that time.

I hope we can continue to have polite conversations on complicated yet emotionally charged issues.

 

[Kirk's Raider's]

sorry I don't understand the whole topic, in the first pic are severa lcouloured Americans is that the reason

I hate that term African Americans it's bullshit, European Americans?, Asian Americans? and best of all American Americans?

The terms are important because America never ever treated all people the same. Blacks were prohibited from marrying or having sex with white people in many US states until the 1967 US Supreme Court decision Loving v. Virginia.
Germans especially never treated all of their citizens the same My Grandfather fought for four years in the German Army in WW1 and still ended up in a Concentration Camp.
No such thing as "American Americans or German Germans.
Kirk's Raider's