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This site used different German names for these units... https://howlingpixel.com/i-en/Strafbataillon
Bewährungsbataillon 500
Bewährungstruppe 999
This site used different German names for these units... https://howlingpixel.com/i-en/Strafbataillon
my french isn't good enough for thatHere is a Book... on the French penal unit and it's in French...
https://www.amazon.com/Bat-dAf-Zéphirs-joyeux-1831-1972/dp/2857049323/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+Bat'+d'Af'&qid=1572647353&s=books&sr=1-1
I never heard of French penal units Post WW2. The French Army was very busy from 1945 to 1962.Here is a Book... on the French penal unit and it's in French...
https://www.amazon.com/Bat-dAf-Zéphirs-joyeux-1831-1972/dp/2857049323/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+Bat'+d'Af'&qid=1572647353&s=books&sr=1-1
Blocking units are certainly interesting . They are only practical in conventional warfare with a very defined battle fieldHere is a paper about blocking detachments... It is long but scrolls to page 19 and start at 3.1 for it talks about Russian Blocking Detachments at Stalingrad... They sent in an artillery strick against a unit defecting to the German side...
LINK: http://www.jasonlyall.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/BLOCKING.pdf
I found new names for what I think are just the same units... Dirlewanger?the military renames stuff all the time - it's part of what they do
Here Galvanized Yankees ? https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Penal_military_unitKirk's Raider's
This site listed above includes Galvanized Yankees as penal military units... I think the should be made for this... and correct American history...it's part of what they do
why should they? for a penal unit they need to be convicted of sth - they weren't - it's a lot more like the french recruiting for the foreign legion in pow camps - they didn't call dien bien phu die letzte schlacht der [waffen-]ss (the last battle of the ss) for nothing.This site listed above includes Galvanized Yankees as penal military units... I think the should be made for this... and correct American history...
See Galvanized Yankees; during the American Civil War, Confederate prisoners of war who swore allegiance to the Union were allowed to join the Union Army and serve on the western frontier.
not comparable - these people were selected and let lose to terrorize (mostly) civilians. i'm against the death penalty but that's different when it's war related. i wouldn't have lost any sleep if someone had every single one of them pose against a wall. they were truly marauders (i never understood why the b-26 endet up with that ghastly name).I found new names for what I think are just the same units... Dirlewanger?
OMG... I just looked up this unit... What a horrible man it's leader... Was the whole unit full of horrific people?ghastly name).
they were handpicked for their jobOMG... I just looked up this unit... What a horrible man it's leader... Was the whole unit full of horrific people?
from your link above:they were handpicked for their job
Yes but unlike in WWII there was no one to shoot him if said galvanized Yankee would desert. On the other hand a white man literally in the middle of nowhere has a very limited chance if successfully deserting. Not that there were exceptions to the rule.Here Galvanized Yankees ? https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Penal_military_unit
This site listed above includes Galvanized Yankees as penal military units... I think the should be made for this... and correct American history...
See Galvanized Yankees; during the American Civil War, Confederate prisoners of war who swore allnce to the Union were allowed to join the Union Army and serve on the western frontier.
got a link for that? the french didn't sent anyone to russia who had not especially been asked for. the main reason for joining wereYes but unlike in WWII there was no one to shoot him if said galvanized Yankee would desert. On the other hand a white man literally in the middle of nowhere has a very limited chance if successfully deserting. Not that there were exceptions to the rule.
Another example of a type of penal battalion was that after WW2 the French told their captured SS prisoners that they had a choice:
They could "volunteer" to join the French Foreign Legion and frolic with the natives in the warm sun during the French-Indochina War of 1945 to 1954 or they could be turned over to Soviets and enjoy the refreshing bracing weather of Siberia with plenty of healthy exercise.
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If you actually read what I wrote the French offered a choice to their SS prisoners. I never said the French actually sent any captured SS to the Soviets. However the SS prisoners were given a very distinct choice. Also in English there is a concept that proper nouns should be capitalized .got a link for that? the french didn't sent anyone to russia who had not especially been asked for. the main reason for joining were
also, a lot of those men were good at fighting wars but hardly anything else
- the conditions in french camps
- no place to go (after all they had lost)
- the russian presence it what was to become the gdr
- entnazifizierung in (western) germany
so you don't have a source for the french offering that choice, right?If you actually read what I wrote the French offered a choice to their SS prisoners. I never said the French actually sent any captured SS to the Soviets. However the SS prisoners were given a very distinct choice. Also in English there is a concept that proper nouns should be capitalized .
Kirk's Raider's
I did a little searching around. There was in article on a site named "Wehrmacht award" and one poster cited three authors who estimated that 3k to 5k former SS enlisted in the FFL immediate post WWII. There were also non German SS in the FFL. Definitely non German SS would be motivated to join the FFL if the French wanted to send them back to a now East Block country i.e. Romania.Here is a Book... on the French penal unit and it's in French...
https://www.amazon.com/Bat-dAf-Zéphirs-joyeux-1831-1972/dp/2857049323/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+Bat'+d'Af'&qid=1572647353&s=books&sr=1-1