Other Segregated militaries and challenges of integration

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There is a statue to them in Savannah, GA. to the Haitian soldiers...

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Haitian soldiers at Battle of Savannah statue, Franklin Square, Savannah, Georgia, June 2017

Here is a look at their one action in America...


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Nevertheless, due to their in-between status, some men joined the Chasseurs-Volontaires formed after the March 12, 1779 royal ordinance. They became part of the French command which supported the Continental Army in Savannah. In fact, the gens de couleurs outnumbered the 500 American troops at the Battle of Savannah. Their role in the battle was also significant because they were sent in as scouts before the beginning of the hostilities on September 8, 1779. During the course of the battle, they were considered one of the most homogeneous and efficient allied group, fighting the English troops with obstinacy and boldness. But the knowledge the British had concerning the American plan of attack, due to a leak of information given by American deserters, impeded any chance of victory. The Chasseurs-Volontaires military group represented a large part of the 168 killed and 411 wounded soldiers in the French ranks following the battle.

The siege of Savannah or the Second Battle of Savannah 1779...


Wiki take...

Very good find!
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I know we did Canadian Native regiment so what about All Black Canadian regiment... here is one from WWone... @Kirk's Raider's


The No. 2 Construction Battalion, Canadian Expeditionary Force (CEF), was raised in Nova Scotia and was one of two predominantly black battalions in Canadian military history and the only Canadian battalion composed of black soldiers to serve in World War I.[1][2] Commanded by Lieutenant Colonel D.H. Sutherland, formerly of the 193rd Battalion, CEF, all but one of the unit's 19 officers were white, the exception being Captain William A. White, the unit's Chaplain.

Here is one from 1812...


Captain Runchey's Company of Coloured Men was a Canadian militia company of free blacks and indentured black servants, raised in Upper Canada as a small Black corps under a white officer, Robert Reuben Runchey (1759–1819), a tavern keeper from Jordan, Upper Canada. The unit fought in several actions during the early part of the Anglo-American War of 1812. In 1813, Runchey's Company was converted into a unit of the Canadian Corps of Provincial Artificers, attached to the Royal Sappers and Miners, in which sappers and miners performed specialized military operations. They served on the Niagara River front during the war, and were disbanded a few months after the war ended. The Company of Coloured Men's military heritage is perpetuated in the modern Canadian Army by the Lincoln and Welland Regiment

Here is one from 1860...


The Victoria Rifles was a military unit of black soldiers in Halifax, Nova Scotia that was established in 1860 in the wake of the Crimean War and on the eve of the American Civil War.[1] It was one of the oldest black regiments established in Canada.[2] On January 30, 1860, at a meeting of the Victoria Rifles, George Anderson was elected Captain and John H. Symonds (1st Lieut. 2nd Halifax Queen's) elected 1st. Lieut.[3] [4]

Here is a summery of Black Canadians serving ....

 

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Overall segregated units can work and racial intergration may or may not work. Lots of factors such has what led to the revolt of Proto Maylay's enlisted in the South Vietnamese Special Forces in 1964 against the South Vietnamese Government vs the excellent performance of South African Army 32 Battalion.
The US never technically commanded or recruited Vietnamese or Cambodian men into the Special Forces that was done by the South Vietnamese Special Forces but they had foreign mostly American but also Australian and South Korean advisors.
My point is men may or may not fight well in either a segregated or intergrated armed forces. Lots of factors go into either senario.
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Here in our American Revolution a Black Slave lead a guerilla force for the British and the man's name was Tye... He praised but he was fighting against us America and our nations freedom...


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Colonel Tye earned a reputation as the most formidable guerilla leader in the Revolutionary War. During his years fighting for the British, Patriots feared his raids, while their slaves welcomed his help in their liberation.

Tye, originally known as Titus during his early years in slavery in New Jersey, escaped a particularly brutal master in 1775 and joined the British army after the Crown offered freedom to any enslaved person who enlisted. While Tye stood out as a soldier from the start, the British didn’t station him at pitched battles. They saw more value in using his knowledge of the coveted New Jersey territory, which sat between British-occupied New York and the Patriot’s center of government in Philadelphia. The Redcoats needed to take this middle land—and believed Tye could help.

The British were right
. Tye excelled at raid warfare there. His familiarity with the area gave him an advantage in attacks on Patriots’ lands. And his daring, skillful execution kept his Black Brigade soldiers largely unscathed as they plundered homes, took supplies, freed slaves and sometimes even assassinated Patriot slaveholders renowned for their cruelty. The British recognized Tye’s impact on their success and, out of respect for all his contributions, bestowed on him the honorific title of Colonel. He remains an important symbol of fearless resistance.

Here a good summary of his actions:


When the Revolution broke out I was one of many New Jersey slaves who were agricultural laborers and lived independently in small cabins. In Monmouth County, unrest among us slaves prompted the county’s white leaders to argue against manumission and slaves being out at night. They also confiscated arms from both free blacks and slaves. This may have prompted me to run off. As a Loyalist freedman, what others called a runaway slave, I turned to raid warfare as a way of making a living. In 1779, Loyalist raids against New Jersey rebel areas increased in frequency and intensity. A year later, I joined a growing group of runaway slaves based at Refugeetown, a settlement on Sandy Hook near the lighthouse and British naval base and became the leader of a new Loyalist group called the Black Brigade. Under my leadership, the Black Brigade launched a string of raids in which we captured horses, plundered houses, and captured rebels. During one raid, I took “several Negroes and a great deal of stock” making people think that I was either liberating other African Americans, or, potentially, selling them as war booty. On September 1, I attempted my boldest raid, marching ten miles inland to Colts Neck to capture Captain Joshua Huddy. In the action on that raid I was shot in the wrist and died shortly thereafter from lockjaw caused by the wound. The Black Brigade continued on, but was less effective after my death. Black Loyalists continued to raid rebels into 1782.


Here is the wiki....


Titus Cornelius, also known as Titus, Tye, and famously as Colonel Tye (c. 1753 – 1780), was a slave of African descent in the Province of New Jersey who fought as a Black Loyalist during the American Revolutionary War; he was known for his leadership and fighting skills. He fought with a volunteer corps of escaped Virginia Colony slaves in the Ethiopian Regiment and the "Black Brigade" associators. Tye died from tetanus and lockjaw from a musket wound in the wrist following a short siege in September 1780 against Captain Joshua Huddy. Tye was one of the most feared and effective guerrilla leaders opposing the American patriot forces in central New Jersey.

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Often considered one of the most effective and respected African-American soldiers of the Revolution, Tye made significant contributions to the British cause.[8] Although never commissioned an officer by the British Army, Colonel Tye earned his honorary title as a sign of respect for his tactical and leadership skills. The British often granted such titles to other noteworthy black officers in Jamaica and other West Indian islands.[5] The British army did not formally appoint anyone of African descent to such positions; however, the Royal Navy did commission black officers. Tye's knowledge of the swamps, rivers, and inlets in Monmouth County was integral to the British efforts in New Jersey during the war. As the commander of the Black Brigade, he led raids against American patriots, seized supplies, and assassinated Patriot leaders during the war.

Colonel Tye served as an example of the role of African Americans during the Revolutionary War. Lord Dunmore's proclamation involved the African-American population in the war in a manner not yet seen. The promise of freedom inspired African-American men like Tye to join the Loyalist cause. Tye and his men captured important Patriot militiamen, launched numerous raids, and seized scarce resources from the local population. Their actions gained the attention of Governor William Livingston, who invoked martial law in New Jersey as a result in an attempt to restore order. The actions of Tye and other former slaves provoked whites' fear that wartime abolition would cause further dislocation and disorder in the region.[9] Further, Tye's exploits intensified white anxieties about slave revolt and served to reinforce anti-abolition sentiment
 

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Here from wiki units British units in our Revolutionary war....

Black Loyalist military units[edit]
Main article: Loyalists Fighting in the American Revolution
Lord Dunmore's proclamation and others led to the formation of several Black regiments in the British army. The most notable were Dunmore's Ethiopian Regiment and Clinton's Black Company of Pioneers. Other regiments included the Jersey Shore Volunteers, the Jamaica Rangers, the Mosquito Shore Volunteers, and the Black Dragoons of the South Carolina Royalists. It was also common for Black Loyalists to serve the military in non-combat positions, such as the Black Company of Pioneers.[14][15]

Black Company of Pioneers and Guides and Pioneers[edit]
The largest Black Loyalist regiment was the Black Company of Pioneers, better known as the "Black Pioneers" and later merged into the Guides and Pioneers. In the military terminology of the day, a "pioneer" was a soldier who built roads, dug trenches, and did other manual labor. These soldiers were typically divided into smaller corps and attached to larger armies. The Black Pioneers worked to build fortifications and other necessities, and they could be called upon to work under fire.[15] They served under General Clinton in a support capacity in North Carolina, New York, Newport, Rhode Island, and Philadelphia. They did not sustain any casualties because they were never used in combat. In Philadelphia, their general orders to "attend the scavangers, assist in cleaning the streets & removing all newsiances being thrown into the streets".[16]

Ethiopian Regiment[edit]
Main article: Ethiopian Regiment
Lord Dunmore organized his 800 Black Loyalist volunteers into the Ethiopian Regiment. They trained in the rudiments of marching and shooting before engaging in their first conflict at the Battle of Kemp's Landing. The Patriot militia at Kemp's Landing was unprepared for the attack and retreated. Next, Dunmore led the Royal Ethiopians into the Battle of Great Bridge; Dunmore was overconfident and misinformed about the Patriot numbers, however, and the Patriots overwhelmed the British troops. After the battle, Dunmore loaded his Black troops onto ships of the British fleet, hoping to take the opportunity to train them better. The cramped conditions led to the spread of smallpox. By the time that Dunmore retreated to the Province of New York, only 300 of the original 800 soldiers had survived.[14]

Black Brigade[edit]
The "Black Brigade" was a small combat unit of 24 in New Jersey led by Colonel Tye, a slave from Monmouth County, New Jersey who had escaped to British lines early in the war.[17] The title of colonel was not an official military designation, as blacks were not formally commissioned as officers, but such titles were permitted in an unofficial capacity. Tye and the Black Brigade were the most feared Loyalists in New Jersey, and he led them in several raids from 1778 at the Battle of Monmouth to defending the British in occupied New York in the winter of 1779. Beginning in June 1780, Tye led several actions against Patriots in Monmouth County, and he was wounded in the wrist during a raid on a Patriot militia leader in September. Within weeks, he died from gangrene,[15] and Black Pioneer leader Stephen Blucke took over the Black Brigade and led it through the end of the war.[17]


snip... post war was rough out them.... Black :Loyalist...

When peace negotiations began after the Battle of Yorktown, a primary issue of debate was the fate of Black British soldiers. Loyalists who remained in the United States wanted Black soldiers returned so their chances of receiving reparations for damaged property would be increased, but British military leaders fully intended to keep the promise of freedom made to Black soldiers despite the anger of the Americans.[18]

In the chaos as the British evacuated Loyalist refugees, particularly from New York and Charleston, many American slave owners attempted to recapture their former slaves. Some would capture any Black, including those born free before the war, and sell them into slavery.[19] The US Congress ordered George Washington to retrieve any American property, including slaves, from the British, as stipulated by the Treaty of Paris (1783).

Since Sir Guy Carleton intended to honour the promise of freedom, the British proposed a compromise that would compensate slave owners and provide certificates of freedom and the right to be evacuated to one of the British colonies to any Black person who could prove his service or status. The British transported more than 3,000 Black Loyalists to Nova Scotia, the greatest number of people of African descent to arrive there at any one time. One of their settlements, Birchtown, Nova Scotia was the largest free African community in North America for the first few years of its existence.[20]

Black Loyalists found the northern climate and frontier conditions in Nova Scotia difficult and were subject to discrimination by other Loyalist settlers, many of them slaveholders. In July 1784, Black Loyalists in Shelburne were targeted in the Shelburne Riots, the first recorded race riots in Canadian history. The Crown officials granted land to the Black Loyalists of lesser quality and that were more rocky and less fertile than that given to White Loyalists. In 1792, the British government offered Black Loyalists the chance to resettle in a new colony in Sierra Leone. The Sierra Leone Company was established to manage its development. Half of the Black Loyalists in Nova Scotia, nearly 1200, departed the country and moved permanently to Sierra Leone. They set up the community of "Freetown".[21][page needed]

In 1793, the British transported another 3,000 Blacks to Florida, Nova Scotia and England as free men and women.[22] Their names were recorded in the Book of Negroes by General Carleton.[23][24]

Not all were so lucky. In the South, blacks were seen as easy targets, and planters often ignored their claims of freedom. Many British officers and Loyalists considered them to be spoils of war. When Britain ceded Florida to Spain, many of the freedmen, who had been transported there from the United States, were left behind when the British pulled out.[25] However, the Spanish both offered freedom and the right to bear arms to blacks who would convert to Catholicism and encouraged slaves to escape to Florida.

 

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The Israeli military has had non Jewish troops since 1948. Druzes and Cirricassians have been drafted per the wish's of their politcal leaders since 1952 . Bedouin tribesman have been recruited as volunteers since they can be drafted as they are Sunni Moslems. They are often assigned to seperate tracker units and after their army service they often join the Israeli Border Police.
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Aside from the Bedouins only twenty Arabs out of over a million volounter for the IDF each year.
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A further discussion if Arab volunteers in the IDF. Most are Bedouin tribesman but some are Palestians both Moslems and Christian's.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=the...ate=ive&vld=cid:d6865e6f,vid:s21MTzNfXQM,st:0 See next post for better link

In this documentary concerning be the Namibian Bush War of 1966 to 1989 is excellent footage of South African Army 32-Battalion composed of Bokcongo tribesman who previously fought in the FNLA against the Portugese then lost the three way Angolan Civil War of 1974-1975.
After the negociated conclusion of the Bush War the men of 32-Battalion were granted South African citizenship and briefly served in the Townships during the transition to majority rule. Many became mercenaries for Executive Outcomes which sucessfully fought in African conflicts and Iraq.
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A disabled Arab Israeli who was a commander in the elite Golani Brigade shares his thoughts so serving in the Israeli Army and fighting in Lebanon in 2006.
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This video is from an excellent South African TV series conducted years after South Africa became rulled by the post Apartheid ANC. This series interviewed all participants in the war against South Africa in Namibia 19966-1989. It's title means " Border War" in Africkanns.
Most of the series is in Africkanns but there is some interviews in English and English subtitles from interviews of 32 Battalion soldiers.
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This is a South African Army training film showing a Koveet team cooperating with South African Airforce K-Car gunships. It also swiss how guerrllas hide their tracks.
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@5fish ,
Here's an example of a non white army that had a segregated all white unit. It doesn't have a real happy ending.
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In this South African documentary on the War in Nambia at the 17.43 mark is a brief segment on the training of Koovet and at the 19 miniute mark training of 701 Battalion South West African Territorial Force composed of local tribesman from the Caprivi Strip of now Nambia.
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