OT - Declarations of Independence: Slavery, Secession, and the Confederate Scapegoat.

[Mike12]

What a butthole that article. A simpleton has multiple sources that the "Lone Star" on that Bonnie Blue Flag is from Texas. What the Mexicans wanted was Catholicism in a Mexican Empire. They fought for religion. Go to see the Alamo today, its a Church ,a Patriotic Church in the form of a Cross. That "Bonnie Blue Flag" is the rights of self-determination. There is between 0-5% Slavery demographically in General Stonewall Jackson's West Virginia. In that scots-irish strain of man is a fighting man who has met no man but a Puritan to overcome the tyrants of Kings. Is Independence separable from slavery in the war or in the American Revolution? It asks?

Is the Government on the offensive today in your rights against it?Nation:a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.
I don't have descent, history, culture or language with a Korean, who is a Korean Presbyterian, the Presbyterian Religion, the Religion is the United, the Cross is the Religion of zealous Duty upon us, confederately throughout the world... They never need or want to be Your Fathers the Puritans or our Fathers Thanksgiving or we are all the same descent some Northern Fantasy game.

 

[Leftyhunter]

What a butthole that article. A simpleton has multiple sources that the "Lone Star" on that Bonnie Blue Flag is from Texas. What the Mexicans wanted was Catholicism in a Mexican Empire. They fought for religion. Go to see the Alamo today, its a Church ,a Patriotic Church in the form of a Cross. That "Bonnie Blue Flag" is the rights of self-determination. There is between 0-5% Slavery demographically in General Stonewall Jackson's West Virginia. In that scots-irish strain of man is a fighting man who has met no man but a Puritan to overcome the tyrants of Kings. Is Independence separable from slavery in the war or in the American Revolution? It asks?

Is the Government on the offensive today in your rights against it?Nation:a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.
I don't have descent, history, culture or language with a Korean, who is a Korean Presbyterian, the Presbyterian Religion, the Religion is the United, the Cross is the Religion of zealous Duty upon us, confederately throughout the world... They never need or want to be Your Fathers the Puritans or our Fathers Thanksgiving or we are all the same descent some Northern Fantasy game.

In my work I deal daily with crackheads ,methheads and alcoholics and they all make more sense then you on their worst day.
Leftyhunter

 

[5fish]

What a butthole that article. A

Why? The document I posted was written by the Mississippi's listen their issues for leaving the union just like we(America) did with the English back in 1776. It was about Slavery...

Korean, who is a Korean Presbyterian,

I lived in Korea in the 1960's. They like to talk about the era of thier Dragon Ships and defeating the Japanese.

You seem to forget all ready. The early Christians would not recognized Presbyterians, Baptist, Methodist, and others because none of them were founded by one of Jesus' disciples...

 

[Mike12]

Why? The document I posted was written by the Mississippi's listen their issues for leaving the union just like we(America) did with the English back in 1776. It was about Slavery...



I lived in Korea in the 1960's. They like to talk about the era of thier Dragon Ships and defeating the Japanese.

You seem to forget all ready. The early Christians would not recognized Presbyterians, Baptist, Methodist, and others because none of them were founded by one of Jesus' disciples...

jgoodguy did say to be polite. apologies.... I don't Know where that article is from.
Its actually in favor of separating Independence and Slavery but provides no follow-up point here.

I'm ready to be a foreign sleeper cell. 3-1-1919 4-2-9 they like numbers . .. numbers.... queen of hearts...sam-il. sa-i-gu. Korea met up with a British patriot along the way. We nationalized the Presbyterian religion organizes the British Union confederately among the nations Ireland,Wales,England,Scotland, the Anglican Bishop's all that's in the way in England and Episcopal Church of Scotland. Since we nationalized it, Koeran Citizenship test you memorize independence activists tested, Ahn Chang Ho, Kim Koo, Ahn jung-geun, Ryu Gwansun. Ahn Chang Ho is a Presbyterian at Yonsei where the "Eagles" points at this Federal Eagle, the US Eagle, On Top of the Christian Cross, at a Private Princeton-like Presbyterian University, wouldn't you say?
Its never been my objective or a Korean objective to re-plot all the Christian life of all Christians with another esoteric fight in the apostles. I'm disappointed in the branches that now do so, who Really wrote the Pentateuch, was it Moses? More Importantly Methodists and Baptists are in no way a powerful international organization with strong equivalent acknowledgment across the Atlantic.

American Independence is against the Episcopacy , John WItherspoon, the Korean Independence of 1919 goes ignored as the sovereign will of korea and the line of government called the Korean Provisional Government, therefore. The Independence self-determination of peoples slips into Dixie, that's their selling point too.

 

[5fish]

the Korean Independence of 1919

I looked up the March 1 movement in Korea, I guess you were making some cryptic allusion to the Korean Freedom movement and Confederate power grab. I look up the Korean demands and slavery was not one but them being put into force labor was... I do not see anything but a reminder the Japanese were under occupation of anther foreign power and the Confederacy was an equal member of the union...

snip... Korean demands..

Before the formal declaration, Korea also published and broadcast the following complaints, in order to be heard by the Japanese people through papers and media:

• Discrimination by the government when employing Koreans versus Japanese people; they claimed that no Koreans held important positions in the government.
• A disparity in the quality of education being offered to Korean and Japanese people.
• Mistreatment and open disregard of Koreans by the Japanese occupiers.
• Political officials, both Korean and Japanese, were arrogant.
• No special treatment for the Korean upper class or scholars.
• The administrative processes were too complicated and new laws were passed too frequently for the general public to follow.
• Too much forced labor that was not desired by the public.
• Taxes were too heavy and the Korean people were paying more than before, while getting the same amount of services.
• Land continued to be confiscated by the Japanese people for personal reasons.
• Korean village teachers were being forced out of their jobs because the Japanese were trying to suppress Korean culture and teachings.
• Korea's resources and labor had been exploited for the benefit for the Japanese. They argued that while Koreans were working towards development, they did not reap the benefits of their own work.

Here is the Mississippi demand for secession...

snip... the Title...

A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

snip... demands... slavery pops up a bit...

That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.

The hostility to this institution commenced before the adoption of the Constitution, and was manifested in the well-known Ordinance of 1787, in regard to the Northwestern Territory.

The feeling increased, until, in 1819-20, it deprived the South of more than half the vast territory acquired from France.

The same hostility dismembered Texas and seized upon all the territory acquired from Mexico.

It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.

It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.

It tramples the original equality of the South under foot.

It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.

It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.

It has enlisted its press, its pulpit and its schools against us, until the whole popular mind of the North is excited and inflamed with prejudice.

It has made combinations and formed associations to carry out its schemes of emancipation in the States and wherever else slavery exists.

It seeks not to elevate or to support the slave, but to destroy his present condition without providing a better.

It has invaded a State, and invested with the honors of martyrdom the wretch whose purpose was to apply flames to our dwellings, and the weapons of destruction to our lives.

It has broken every compact into which it has entered for our security.

It has given indubitable evidence of its design to ruin our agriculture, to prostrate our industrial pursuits and to destroy our social system.

It knows no relenting or hesitation in its purposes; it stops not in its march of aggression, and leaves us no room to hope for cessation or for pause.

It has recently obtained control of the Government, by the prosecution of its unhallowed schemes, and destroyed the last expectation of living together in friendship and brotherhood.

Utter subjugation awaits us in the Union, if we should consent longer to remain in it. It is not a matter of choice, but of necessity. We must either submit to degradation, and to the loss of property worth four billions of money, or we must secede from the Union framed by our fathers, to secure this as well as every other species of property. For far less cause than this, our fathers separated from the Crown of England.

Our decision is made. We follow their footsteps. We embrace the alternative of separation; and for the reasons here stated, we resolve to maintain our rights with the full consciousness of the justice of our course, and the undoubting belief of our ability to maintain it.

 

[Leftyhunter]

I looked up the March 1 movement in Korea, I guess you were making some cryptic allusion to the Korean Freedom movement and Confederate power grab. I look up the Korean demands and slavery was not one but them being put into force labor was... I do not see anything but a reminder the Japanese were under occupation of anther foreign power and the Confederacy was an equal member of the union...

snip... Korean demands..

Before the formal declaration, Korea also published and broadcast the following complaints, in order to be heard by the Japanese people through papers and media:

• Discrimination by the government when employing Koreans versus Japanese people; they claimed that no Koreans held important positions in the government.
• A disparity in the quality of education being offered to Korean and Japanese people.
• Mistreatment and open disregard of Koreans by the Japanese occupiers.
• Political officials, both Korean and Japanese, were arrogant.
• No special treatment for the Korean upper class or scholars.
• The administrative processes were too complicated and new laws were passed too frequently for the general public to follow.
• Too much forced labor that was not desired by the public.
• Taxes were too heavy and the Korean people were paying more than before, while getting the same amount of services.
• Land continued to be confiscated by the Japanese people for personal reasons.
• Korean village teachers were being forced out of their jobs because the Japanese were trying to suppress Korean culture and teachings.
• Korea's resources and labor had been exploited for the benefit for the Japanese. They argued that while Koreans were working towards development, they did not reap the benefits of their own work.

Here is the Mississippi demand for secession...

snip... the Title...

A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

snip... demands... slavery pops up a bit...

That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.

The hostility to this institution commenced before the adoption of the Constitution, and was manifested in the well-known Ordinance of 1787, in regard to the Northwestern Territory.

The feeling increased, until, in 1819-20, it deprived the South of more than half the vast territory acquired from France.

The same hostility dismembered Texas and seized upon all the territory acquired from Mexico.

It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.

It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.

It tramples the original equality of the South under foot.

It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.

It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.

It has enlisted its press, its pulpit and its schools against us, until the whole popular mind of the North is excited and inflamed with prejudice.

It has made combinations and formed associations to carry out its schemes of emancipation in the States and wherever else slavery exists.

It seeks not to elevate or to support the slave, but to destroy his present condition without providing a better.

It has invaded a State, and invested with the honors of martyrdom the wretch whose purpose was to apply flames to our dwellings, and the weapons of destruction to our lives.

It has broken every compact into which it has entered for our security.

It has given indubitable evidence of its design to ruin our agriculture, to prostrate our industrial pursuits and to destroy our social system.

It knows no relenting or hesitation in its purposes; it stops not in its march of aggression, and leaves us no room to hope for cessation or for pause.

It has recently obtained control of the Government, by the prosecution of its unhallowed schemes, and destroyed the last expectation of living together in friendship and brotherhood.

Utter subjugation awaits us in the Union, if we should consent longer to remain in it. It is not a matter of choice, but of necessity. We must either submit to degradation, and to the loss of property worth four billions of money, or we must secede from the Union framed by our fathers, to secure this as well as every other species of property. For far less cause than this, our fathers separated from the Crown of England.

Our decision is made. We follow their footsteps. We embrace the alternative of separation; and for the reasons here stated, we resolve to maintain our rights with the full consciousness of the justice of our course, and the undoubting belief of our ability to maintain it.

Don't waste your time with this guy or gal. He or she or some combination there of is just pulling your chain.
Leftyhunter

 

[Mike12]

Don't waste your time with this guy or gal. He or she or some combination there of is just pulling your chain.
Leftyhunter

We know there's a conspiracy that stinks to the TOP of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT with "Flip" Ahn, Ahn Chang Ho's son, the "American", the one that's proud-Irish. He has a Youtube channel. He's a loser. The one that says there should be no submarine from ROK named after Ahn Chang Ho. He was there at Atlanta to Throw in Ahn Chang Ho as the only non-black and the only non-american at the Atlanta Civil Rights Walk. "Flip Ahn" did that! He was there with a speech. What a loser, he is everywhere, with a counter human dignity message to make you people sound smart. You're IDIOTS.

Korea didn't gain "Civil Rights" with its independence statement. There wasn't a leveling of Korean society, or less ranks, or an end of "Korean Slavery" is the words of what existed before Japan. No Missionary and I read 10 books , you can't skew them , do what You want them to. Independence of Korea before Japan is against communist Civil Rights, its against the Methodist Miscegenation party of Syngman Rhee and Francesca Donner, the Big FEDERAL GOVERNMENT POLITIC, to make a half-Nation that miscegenates just like Japan did it. The Secession of the Southern States declared a culture, language, descent, the archaic definition of "Nation" and the Korean Independence declares a culture,language, descent, the archaic definition on "Nation", and they're talking to each other or why's Barack Obama a Puritan Pilgrim, My Country Tis of Thee?
They got it in Wales, Korea, Ireland ,Scotland, we have no heritage, descent, culture, here rights to free worship direct with God, we're mongrels staring at heathenry, and I Approve of moral instruction i Never get to benefit from for others, in a Korean Presbyterian Church, I'm in JAIL.

 

[5fish]

The Secession of the Southern States declared a culture, language, descent, the archaic definition of "Nation" and the Korean Independence declares a culture,language, descent, the archaic definition on "Nation",

I showed you the Confederacy was a Slave Holder Rebellion and nothing more. They were greedy oligarchs that chose their wealth over our nation... The e Koreans were being oppressed by the Japanese, no comparison of the two can be made...

 

[Mike12]

I showed you the Confederacy was a Slave Holder Rebellion and nothing more. They were greedy oligarchs that chose their wealth over our nation... The e Koreans were being oppressed by the Japanese, no comparison of the two can be made...

You aren't arguing with me. You're arguing with Commander of Allied Forces Dwight Eisenhower who says the timeless 'creed of our fathers' must be against slavery in his address. It must be more than a Slave Holder Rebellion, they compounded the St. Andrew's Cross of Religion today, they preached sending money in the Dixie's Children's Book to Asia where they Can be Christians, they had two southern presbyterian "brothers" with Horace Underwood in 1885. You're cheating them and the proof is factual.

 

[Leftyhunter]

We know there's a conspiracy that stinks to the TOP of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT with "Flip" Ahn, Ahn Chang Ho's son, the "American", the one that's proud-Irish. He has a Youtube channel. He's a loser. The one that says there should be no submarine from ROK named after Ahn Chang Ho. He was there at Atlanta to Throw in Ahn Chang Ho as the only non-black and the only non-american at the Atlanta Civil Rights Walk. "Flip Ahn" did that! He was there with a speech. What a loser, he is everywhere, with a counter human dignity message to make you people sound smart. You're IDIOTS.

Korea didn't gain "Civil Rights" with its independence statement. There wasn't a leveling of Korean society, or less ranks, or an end of "Korean Slavery" is the words of what existed before Japan. No Missionary and I read 10 books , you can't skew them , do what You want them to. Independence of Korea before Japan is against communist Civil Rights, its against the Methodist Miscegenation party of Syngman Rhee and Francesca Donner, the Big FEDERAL GOVERNMENT POLITIC, to make a half-Nation that miscegenates just like Japan did it. The Secession of the Southern States declared a culture, language, descent, the archaic definition of "Nation" and the Korean Independence declares a culture,language, descent, the archaic definition on "Nation", and they're talking to each other or why's Barack Obama a Puritan Pilgrim, My Country Tis of Thee?
They got it in Wales, Korea, Ireland ,Scotland, we have no heritage, descent, culture, here rights to free worship direct with God, we're mongrels staring at heathenry, and I Approve of moral instruction i Never get to benefit from for others, in a Korean Presbyterian Church, I'm in JAIL.

Stop smoking Meth and we can have an intelligent conversation.
Leftyhunter

 

[rittmeister]

Stop smoking Meth and Mao we can have an intelligent conversation.
Leftyhunter

stop that nonsense or i'll do it

 

[Mike12]

I showed you the Confederacy was a Slave Holder Rebellion and nothing more. They were greedy oligarchs that chose their wealth over our nation... The e Koreans were being oppressed by the Japanese, no comparison of the two can be made...

Stop smoking Meth and we can have an intelligent conversation.
Leftyhunter

Whats this witch hunt you're after? Like I'm not studied in the confederacy and korean independence for 10 years? You're teachers? YOu have ,10 , 20 books? The St. Andrew's cross is a promoted religion , its strictly Presbyterian, the mission went to Korea promoting religion, that's korean business and myself and its not your business, what about that? 5 years and 10 million people in a government, thats civil works happened.

 

[5fish]

The St. Andrew's cross is a promoted religion , its strictly Presbyterian,

NO, It's like 4th century Roman and its Catholic. The Scots did not adopt it until the 16th century so you are mistaken by all counts

St. Andrew has also been remembered down through the ages for the way he met his terrible death in A.D. 60.

It is said that he believed himself unworthy to be crucified on a cross like that of Christ, and so he met his end on a ‘saltire’, or X-shaped cross (St Andrew’s cross) which became his symbol. His cross, in white on a blue background, remains the proud symbol of Scotland today and forms a central component of the Flag of the Union of Great Britain.

Here is a link to Scot and St. Andrew link no Presbyterian in sight...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/saints/andrew.shtml

Here is a link to the whole story... You need to research more... You know it goes by another name Saltire...

Saltire - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[5fish]

Ahn Chang Ho's

YOu keep bemoaning the Presbyterians are behind Korean independence movement but the name above goes to a Roman Catholic... You making simple mistakes...

 

[Mike12]

NO, It's like 4th century Roman and its Catholic. The Scots did not adopt it until the 16th century so you are mistaken by all counts

St. Andrew has also been remembered down through the ages for the way he met his terrible death in A.D. 60.

It is said that he believed himself unworthy to be crucified on a cross like that of Christ, and so he met his end on a ‘saltire’, or X-shaped cross (St Andrew’s cross) which became his symbol. His cross, in white on a blue background, remains the proud symbol of Scotland today and forms a central component of the Flag of the Union of Great Britain.

Here is a link to Scot and St. Andrew link no Presbyterian in sight...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/saints/andrew.shtml

Here is a link to the whole story... You need to research more... You know it goes by another name Saltire...

Saltire - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You can look into the Central Role in religion of Saint Andrew. Andrew the Apostle - Wikipedia
How many amazing things are Saint Andrew? While sits in St. Peter's Basilica a line of men called Popes that "inherit the keys" of Heaven from a single Apostole, one must wonder about, say, all the other apostolic Churches? There are 12 Apostles aren't there? The 12 original followers of Jesus? How come just Apostle Peter? So this article is heavy on he is the "Older Brother", he travelled anatolia, to Greece, through the Rus' country. He has high status in the Orthodox Church it says as the Patriarch of Constantinople. He is the Saint of the Ecumenical Patriarch.

As a sign, an X sign of meaning, of Saint Andrew, consider Scotland... Scotland has said in tourism videos the history of the flag, its actually a battle in the 4th century a ruler saw the x-shape in the sky as tends to be the case in europe, of a favorable battle predicted in the skies... The Remains of Saint Andrew were shipped by the Byzantines, to "the ends of the earth" from Constantinople, and ended up in Edinburgh, Scotland "For safe keeping" , Saint Andrew's Kirk is there...

The Original Presbyterianism is Known to be the Church of Scotland today. That means the Greek word Presbyter or Elder and draws from that early Orthodox movement, like the Iconoclasts in the Byzantine Empire, like the pre-icon movements of Orthodoxy actually Moved Toward the Catholics and their statues... Presbyterianism is known to be From John Calvin of Reformation fame in Switzerland in constant correspondence as John Knox attempted the Conversion of Scotland and England less sucessfully. Particularly, the Reformation never saw a majority among the people, it seems, creating persecutions wars and the Puritan Pilgrims, the Presbyterian English leave for the Americas.

Presbyterian was never seen in historical documents. "Byzantium" was also a word given by academics. I saw the Pope fear the "rule of Calvin". "Reformed Religion" was said. Reformed Religion was proselytized across the States.

 

[Mike12]

YOu keep bemoaning the Presbyterians are behind Korean independence movement but the name above goes to a Roman Catholic... You making simple mistakes...

Huh! I can't quite answer that! I know he's a proud graduate at Yonsei University below. Presbyterian. I know that the relationship of Horace Allen was treasured with the King of Korea because Horace Allen as a doctor helped out Queen Myeongseong's family. They staffed Queen Myeongseong with a nurse. Horace Underwood arrived and married Queen Myeongseong's nurse. They had some "God Save the Queen" and "Auld Lang Syne" lyrics. Ahn Chang Ho May have written the Korean National Anthem we like, "Aegukga". originally with "Auld Lang Syne" in meaning. I know Horace Allen collected delegation teams to America, Ahn Chang Ho wasn't one of these. I know Horace Allen collected visas for work in the USA, I figure Ahn Chang Ho was in this program. He had a numbered visa from King Gojong and went to Hawaii and California, and is a Korean American model.

 

[Mike12]

I'm very confused by what @5fish means. Mayor Bloomburg removes Big Gulp Drinks , the South Doues love Big Gulp Gas Stations. The New York State thoroughly identifies with Diet Drink Sizes. You stated the War is about Big Gulp Drinks and its New York writing that? Mayor Bloomburg did not "participate that the war the South initiates will be "Big Gulp Themed".

 

[5fish]

I'm very confused by what @5fish means. Mayor Bloomburg removes Big Gulp Drinks , the South Doues love Big Gulp Gas Stations. The New York State thoroughly identifies with Diet Drink Sizes. You stated the War is about Big Gulp Drinks and its New York writing that? Mayor Bloomburg did not "participate that the war the South initiates will be "Big Gulp Themed".

Cute a video in Korean... if you are a graduate good for you... in WHAt? You quote above with its use of metaphysical language is why watching grass grow excites me more... We fretted together, back to my grass its calls...

St Andrew Cross is a 4th Century Christian symbol used by Roman Emperors and you can see it on their coins of that time... The Scots centuries later...

 

[rittmeister]

I'm very confused by what @5fish means. Mayor Bloomburg removes Big Gulp Drinks , the South Doues love Big Gulp Gas Stations. The New York State thoroughly identifies with Diet Drink Sizes. You stated the War is about Big Gulp Drinks and its New York writing that? Mayor Bloomburg did not "participate that the war the South initiates will be "Big Gulp Themed".

just for starters: the man's name's bloomberg