Olympian Suicide Rage...

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Many Olympians commit suicide...


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Olympians including Michael Phelps, Apolo Anton Ohno, Jeremy Bloom, Shaun White, Lolo Jones and Sasha Cohen are opening up about their mental health struggles in a new sobering documentary about suicide and depression among the world’s greatest athletes. They’re also calling out a system that they say has allowed the problem to become, as Phelps put it, “an epidemic.”
 

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Reach "Suicide Olympians"... Or " Olympian Suicides"... Be surprised...
 

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It is a dirty shame that Olympic Games in the past have left a lot of white elephants and such a waste of money. The billions of dollars spent in Brazil could have been used to build housing and schools for their desperately poor citizens. It is such insanity:

 

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What good does a mentally-ill homosexual freak like this add to human civilization? It does not advance human knowledge. It says nothing good about females since this creature is not a female. Nor does it speak well of males either, unless showcasing mental-illness before the entire world boosts the esteem of males. Does it? And finally, what good is gained even if this freak lifts 800 pounds? Or a thousand? What does it prove? Brute muscular strength is largely obsolete, even in otherwise physically-strenuous jobs. No job anywhere requires men to lift 800 pounds. Or 500. And rarely over 200. So the one thing "distinguishing" this abomination is otherwise worthless to mankind. Would even a ponderous creature like this make a good soldier? Maybe two thousand years ago, when men battled with broadswords. But today he would be a lumbering clunk-head quickly taken out with enemy machine gun fire, his gelatinous guts spewed all over the battlefield. So whether this crazed homosexual wins a medal or not he does not merit any admiration whatsoever.

 

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What good does a mentally-ill homosexual freak like this add to human civilization? It does not advance human knowledge. It says nothing good about females since this creature is not a female. Nor does it speak well of males either, unless showcasing mental-illness before the entire world boosts the esteem of males. Does it? And finally, what good is gained even if this freak lifts 800 pounds? Or a thousand? What does it prove? Brute muscular strength is largely obsolete, even in otherwise physically-strenuous jobs. No job anywhere requires men to lift 800 pounds. Or 500. And rarely over 200. So the one thing "distinguishing" this abomination is otherwise worthless to mankind. Would even a ponderous creature like this make a good soldier? Maybe two thousand years ago, when men battled with broadswords. But today he would be a lumbering clunk-head quickly taken out with enemy machine gun fire, his gelatinous guts spewed all over the battlefield. So whether this crazed homosexual wins a medal or not he does not merit any admiration whatsoever.

down pi.gif please keep these stoneage ideas to yourself. thank you cop.gif
 

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What good does a mentally-ill homosexual freak like this add to human civilization? It does not advance human knowledge. It says nothing good about females since this creature is not a female. Nor does it speak well of males either, unless showcasing mental-illness before the entire world boosts the esteem of males. Does it? And finally, what good is gained even if this freak lifts 800 pounds? Or a thousand? What does it prove? Brute muscular strength is largely obsolete, even in otherwise physically-strenuous jobs. No job anywhere requires men to lift 800 pounds. Or 500. And rarely over 200. So the one thing "distinguishing" this abomination is otherwise worthless to mankind. Would even a ponderous creature like this make a good soldier? Maybe two thousand years ago, when men battled with broadswords. But today he would be a lumbering clunk-head quickly taken out with enemy machine gun fire, his gelatinous guts spewed all over the battlefield. So whether this crazed homosexual wins a medal or not he does not merit any admiration whatsoever.

They are not an abomination. They are humans like anyone else but believe they were born the wrong gender... You are on the wrong side of this issue in more than one way...
 

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It is a dirty shame that Olympic Games in the past have left a lot of white elephants and such a waste of money. The billions of dollars spent in Brazil could have been used to build housing and schools for their desperately poor citizens. It is such insanity:

I agree the Olympics needs to pick maybe a city on every continent and make them the Home of the Olympics and rotate among them every fours... The winter Olympics may have to be on three of the Northern continents... And again rotate among them... To stop this in indebting cities into ruin and making eye soars...
 

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They are not an abomination. They are humans like anyone else but believe they were born the wrong gender... You are on the wrong side of this issue in more than one way...

The problem is created by femenists who refuse to accept men and women are different.

If men and women are the same then why is there mens sports and womens sports to start with... lets let women weight lifters compete with male weight lifters... but of course that is not "fair" but transgender women are actually physically and biologically men, but saying a man who wants to be a woman is still a man violates their rights to choose gender.

You can't choose gender any more than you can choose how tall you are.

You can get leg and arm and neck extensions via surgery but what results is not really taller, just like what results from gender alteration surgery does not really change gender.

Reading some of their material most of its seems to be mood rather than gender and what they really want to fight is social stereotypes where boys play with trucks and cars while girls play with dolls and learn to cook.

Well boys would benefit from learning to cook too and learning about clothes and repairing their own clothes by sewing should not require a gender change... perhaps instead of forcing the issue with chemicals and surgery and lawyers perhaps just accepting that people are different and not judging them might be the best way forward, but these people wanting acceptance and tolerance of their choices also want people who use the wrong pronoun be fired from their jobs for doing so... so ironically these people demanding acceptance and understanding are the least accepting and understanding of all.

This is also a good article about why women and girls deserve single sex sports:



 

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They are not an abomination. They are humans like anyone else but believe they were born the wrong gender... You are on the wrong side of this issue in more than one way...
Caitlyn Jenner is still a man. Cross dressing doesn't make him a woman. Getting himself castrated doesn't make him a woman. Drugging himself up to his eyeballs with hormonal therapies doesn't make him a woman. His mental confusions don't make him a woman.

The reason this shouldn't be THAT hard is that sex-segregated sports have always been about biology, not identity - and even the most ardent transgender activist acknowledges that a "transgender woman" has XY chromosomes. There will still be difficult cases and plenty of people with an ax to grind, but I predict that when this all shakes out we'll have separate sports divisions... under some kind of euphemism. Like the "XX Division" and the "XY Division," or some other clever labels that haven't been invented yet. Whatever gets us out of using the words "men" and "women."
 

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are you suggesting someone would go through all these procedures to win a medal?
 

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are you suggesting someone would go through all these procedures to win a medal?
No but:

There are mens and womens sports for a reason because men and women are physically different... if you don't agree then there should be no womens sports and no mens sports, just sports... the boxing would be interesting to watch.

The point is that they are divided into two groups because of their physicalities, not for any reasons of sexism... there is no glass ceiling for women to break there.

But if they want to compete in sport perhaps we need a new group or groups to compensate.

If you think about it there is already paralympics and that is divided into groups... male female, as well as different groups as necessary... imagine a golf game... I bet the blind people would do best on the games held at night.

The real question is... could a paralympian compete at the normal olympics... and they did with that south african guy who murdered his girlfriend... maybe a guy in a wheelchair could compete in the 100m... a souped up electric chair...


This is an excerpt from the article I posted below:

"So, we now know that there are many physical differences between males and females, which can’t be explained only by society and environment. What is it then, that causes these differences? Well, one of the major contributors is the influence of testosterone, with large differences occurring throughout puberty. 11 But even before puberty, there are observed differences in many characteristics including body size and shape, and also in levels of aggression.12 Indeed, it is been highlighted that over 3000 genes contribute just towards muscle differences between men and women. This combination of genetic components and hormones result in many factors each contributing towards the differences that are manifested in males and females. While the effects of testosterone supplementation or inhibition may go some way to modify the original characteristics, it is unlikely to reverse all of the sexually dimorphic manifestations.

Now, knowing the objective data, what does this mean for trans-athletes? The rise in LGBT rights and ideas of inclusion (which are noble aims) has somehow been confused with a misunderstanding of why categorization of athletes is necessary. There has perhaps been an assumption that because gender identity may be accepted as somewhat fluid, then biological sex must also be fluid. But someone’s own perceived gender identity is not the same as biological sex. This is an example of someone’s subjective feelings versus objective reality. And while a person is free to believe whatever they choose, their subjective feelings can never overrule empirical evidence.

It certainly may be apparent that many of the proponents of inclusion and participation are also the same people who dislike the idea of competition in general. Thus, for them the idea of not being allowed to participate in which every category a person wants is terrible. But this is not what most people think about sport and certainly not at the elite level. For example, I would love to be a 100m world champion, yet my physiology would not allow it no matter how much I trained or how much I wanted it. But I don’t feel excluded. We can’t all be capable of doing every single thing in the world, and while we want to remove artificial barriers and enable opportunity and participation, we can’t deny the facts of life.

This is not just about fairness in competition and the potential earnings at stake. While there are many females who make a living in professional sport, there is a perhaps an even larger danger. This could be apparent in boxing and combat sports, where the higher levels of strength and power could lead to devastating consequences. There may be cries here that I am being alarmist and looking at the worst outcomes possible, which are never really going to occur. But we can’t possibly predict the future, and it is naïve to make decisions without thinking through all of the possible consequences. Indeed, some of the outcomes of this have already began to play out. There may be some who say that we just accept it and move forward, but I don’t think that is a forgone conclusion and it certainly requires some serious dialogue and sensible discussion at many levels.

So, what other options may there be? Do we abandon the categories of sex altogether? If we choose to believe that trans women are biological women (which the evidence would disagree with), then the gap between the current sports categories of men and women will cease to exist. A continuum of performance results will undoubtably appear, so perhaps there is no need for separate sex categories at all? Well, I think it is clear what that would do to most of the women currently competing in professional sports. While this would also solve the problems of equal pay in sport, it would likely result in far fewer women actually being able to compete at the professional level."

Sex Differences, Gender, and Competitive Sport – Quillette
 

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This thread is a waste of time.
 

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You should let this/that one go @nicholls , just walk away.
It seems like I made an error and should not have brought this up. I think I could have stated my second post a little better but I was thinking it related to mental health struggles. I would have never imagined this being an issue twenty years ago; I still think it is sick that confused males would want to compete against females in sports. I do think that the articles I posted made a good reason for my case. However, the Olympics is nothing more than global corporate welfare similar to how American pro franchises in the NFL, NBA and MLB use the threat of leaving to get cities to pay for stadiums and arenas.



This is an excerpt from the article below:

"The construction was meant to reinvigorate some of Rio’s struggling neighborhoods, yet more than a year later most venues are abandoned or barely used. The Olympic Park is closed, with most of its facilities overrun with waste and infested with insects and rodents. The nearly four thousand apartments that made up the athlete’s village were meant to be converted into housing for citizens, but sit vacant. Government attempts to auction the venues to private owners have failed, leaving the city with a $14 million annual price tag for maintenance. Meanwhile, at least seventy-seven thousand people were evicted from their homes in the course of construction, and the city, still dealing with its budget crisis, has since suspended its promised program to clean Rio’s deeply polluted waterways."

"Also problematic are so-called white elephants, or expensive facilities that, because of their size or specialized nature, have limited post-Olympics use. These often impose costs for years to come. Sydney’s Olympic stadium costs the city $30 million a year to maintain. Beijing’s famous “Bird’s Nest” stadium cost $460 million to build and requires $10 million a year to maintain, and sits mostly unused. Almost all of the facilities built for the 2004 Athens Olympics, whose costs contributed to the Greek debt crisis, are now derelict. Gangwon, the South Korean regional government responsible for most of the 2018 games’ infrastructure, is expected to incur an $8.5 million annual deficit due to upkeep of unused facilities.

Economists say the games’ so-called implicit costs must also be considered. These include the opportunity costs of public spending that could have been spent on other priorities. Servicing the debt that is left over after hosting the games can burden public budgets for decades. It took Montreal until 2006 to pay off the last of its debt from the 1976 Games, while Greece’s billions in Olympics debt helped bankrupt the country."




 

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But if they want to compete in sport perhaps we need a new group or groups to compensate.
You seem to have a issue with what gender is: You know you can be an XY chromosomes and be a woman... or XX chromosomes and be a man... You need to read these and understand the gender is more than what's between your legs...

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The X and Y chromosomes are called “sex chromosomes” because they contribute to how a person’s sex develops. Most males have XY chromosomes and most women have XX chromosomes. But there are girls and women who have XY chromosomes. This can happen, for example, when a girl has androgen insensitivity syndrome. And there are boys and men who have XX chromosomes. This can happen, for example, when a gene on the Y chromosome ends up on an X chromosome, causing that X chromosome to function more like a Y.

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Let’s define a few terms. Cisgender means a person’s gender identity matches the sex — female or male — designated on their original birth certificate. Gender fluidity refers to change over time in a person’s gender expression or gender identity, or both. That change might be in expression, but not identity, or in identity, but not expression. Or both expression and identity might change together.


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The gender spectrum is an understanding that gender is not binary, but rather a spectrum of biological, mental and emotional traits that exist along a continuum. In contrast, the gender binary—also called gender binarism or genderism—is a belief that gender is composed of two distinct and opposite genders (women/men) in which there is not overlap. Unfortunately for those who believe in a gender binary, it is not scientifically or medically correct. Gender can’t be binary, because it is a personal identity and is socially constructed.
 

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It seems like I made an error and should not have brought this up.
No, you just brought it up with rude colorful language that made it inappropriate... It took away from your argument and showed bigotry or ignorance and dehumanizing people with issues of gender...
 

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It seems like I made an error and should not have brought this up. I think I could have stated my second post a little better but I was thinking it related to mental health struggles. I would have never imagined this being an issue twenty years ago; I still think it is sick that confused males would want to compete against females in sports. I do think that the articles I posted made a good reason for my case.

It's o.k. I was in the same mental sphere awhile ago. And empathy goes a long way. I still remember this shit storm.


btw, I ain't...
 

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It seems like I made an error and should not have brought this up.
Here is a radio show which will teach you or anyone about how we become men and women and in truth we are all born women and there are hormones that keeps us from being female constantly working... then the radio show goes into gender identity... and gender and sports... if you are anyone is interested in learning these five episodes are worth listening to...


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Radiolab Presents: Gonads is a multi-episode journey deep into the parts of us that let us make more of us. Longtime staff producer and host Molly Webster explores the primordial roots of our drive to reproduce, introduces a revolutionary fertility procedure that sounds like science fiction, reveals a profound secret about gender that lives inside all of us, and calls on writers, educators, musicians, artists and comedians to debate how we’re supposed to talk to kids about sex.
 
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