Marie Kelsey's critique of Chernow's use of sources in "Grant"

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You know Grant in command surrounded by young soldiers
Grant was only 32 when he left the Army in 1854. Most of the "young soldiers" were probably not much younger than he was since the peacetime Army was small and new enlistments not primarily 18 year olds like modern times.

But why not take this conspiracy to it's final absurdity? Lincoln and Edwin Booth were both secretly homosexuals as well. Lincoln appointed Grant because of his romantic infatuation with the general. Edwin and Lincoln were secret lovers. John Wilkes Booth learned of his brother's dalliances and, being a closeted homosexual himself, shot Lincoln out of jealous rage. Somehow this can probably be connected to Lee and Jackson being secret lovers - maybe Lee turned down command of the Union Army because Lincoln refused his non-battlefield advances?
 

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Grant was only 32 when he left the Army in 1854. Most of the "young soldiers" were probably not much younger than he was since the peacetime Army was small and new enlistments not primarily 18 year olds like modern times.

But why not take this conspiracy to it's final absurdity? Lincoln and Edwin Booth were both secretly homosexuals as well. Lincoln appointed Grant because of his romantic infatuation with the general. Edwin and Lincoln were secret lovers. John Wilkes Booth learned of his brother's dalliances and, being a closeted homosexual himself, shot Lincoln out of jealous rage. Somehow this can probably be connected to Lee and Jackson being secret lovers - maybe Lee turned down command of the Union Army because Lincoln refused his non-battlefield advances?






Thus "the Marble Man" from the Lee or Jackson perspective. ;) Take your pick.
 

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A conspiracy built on rumor, innuendo, and supposition that I don't think any reputable historian has given credence.
I you would be right except there is nothing written about Badeau and Grant's relationship, not a book , not a paper, not a web site , just nothing.

He was Grant's closest bud the last two years and after the war.

Badeau was the close bud's with the greatest general of the 19th century. He was a close bud's and lover with the greatest actor of the American stage of the 19th century.

Why?

How could gay prissy, non friendly person achieve such success in friends?

How?

I see lots of smoke..
 

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Grant was only 32 when he left the Army in 1854. Most of the "young soldiers" were probably not much younger than he was since the peacetime Army was small and new enlistments not primarily 18 year olds like modern times.

The 32 is old in the gay community... Its always been young man world, ask Oscar Wilde... or Robert Maplethrope...
 

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Robert Maplethrope.

I went to see one of his exhibitions back in the day. I saw his "Bull-whip" creation as well as "Piss on Christ"

He was fanticizing his own artistic and individualistic creations.

To add: I found it intriguing.
 

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The case of Grant's drinking: Have you all notice he only has a drinking problem when he away from his wife and alone with a bunch of young men... As President, there are few if any stories about his drinking... I found one article said he drank out of sorrow which I think is bunk!... People drink to escape their demons, their reality, usually over the guilt feelings... I want you to think Grant alone away from the wife surround by young men... Drinks to hide what to escape what?

Here is an article addresses Grant on and off drinking... different take than me... I not pushing the issue ...

Grant Drank Not From Stress, But Sorrow. In time, Grant’s inner circle came to include some non-horses. It was always a small one, however—the core was his wife and children. Making it crushing that his initial military service from his 1843 West Point graduation to his 1854 resignation (more on this shortly) saw him separated from them for years at a time.

Here is the link it is a good read... https://www.insidehook.com/article/history/ulysses-s-grant-came-seen-failure


I think some of their conclusions need my twist...
 
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